WATCH LIVE: Public Impeachment Hearings

You cannot in any way prove this to be true.

 

In a “supplemental declaration” provided to the House impeachment inquiry Monday, Sondland wrote, “I now recall speaking individually” with a Ukrainian official and in that conversation saying “that resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks.”

Sondland’s new statement adds to testimony by other national security officials that describes an effort directed by Trump and his personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani to link nearly $400 million in security assistance to investigations that could politically benefit the president.
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In his testimony last month, Sondland undercut part of that argument, telling congressional investigators that he texted the phrase only after it was relayed to him directly by Trump. He also said he had been working to carry out one quid pro quo — bartering a White House visit coveted by Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, for assurances his administration would carry out the investigations Giuliani demanded, including an inquiry into an energy company, Burisma, where Joe Biden’s son Hunter held a board seat.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...59b3b8-ffec-11e9-9518-1e76abc088b6_story.html

 

You evidently are not aware of the foreign policy dispute between the bureaucrats and the President. You only spout the dem clown show narrative and not the facts.

 

No. I'm talking about Sondland.

 

What is the dispute? You don't seriously think the Republicans are going into the 2020 election on a Pro-Putin platform, do you?

 

Well, seeing how Obama wouldn't provide lethal force to Ukraine because he was afraid of what the Russians would do and Trump did provide lethal aid, what do you think?

 

one comment on the 3rd and 4th party info, and interpretations of such, it seems bizarre, now my only courtroom experience is from TV movies and the OJ trial but usually the defense attorney says "object, hearsay" when stuff like that is repeated.

Seriously, if my wife comes home to tell me that Becky said that Susan said that Jolene has an opinion about half of a phone conversation she overheard between Sally and Bill and that proves that Bill is up to no good I would just shake my head, fortunately my wife wouldn't do that because she has common sense.

Some of yesterdays testimony reminded me of that hypothetical yet it was considered a "bombshell"

 

I eagerly await the damning evidence.

 

I like this set up. 45 minutes each, then you can turn it off.

 

Why not, Obama did.

 

The Republican platform for the 2016 election was against lethal aid to Ukraine. Senator Cruz wanted to include an amendment to the platform endorsing lethal aid, previously denied by Congress. The story at the time was that someone in the Trump campaign removed the amendment (Manafort was suspected). Congress subsequently approved lethal aid.

 

Maybe they could have Bon Jovi do a halftime show?

 

we'd have to do proper vetting on a lifetime of tweets first to make sure he's ok.

 

Would it make a difference to you if you had a recording of Becky and Susan saying the same thing she heard from Jolene?

 

The Eagles. They could play "Desperado", which would be a fitting tune for the impeachment proceedings.

 

As an initial matter, hearsay is permissible in roughly two dozen scenarios, in court. Second, the impeachment inquiry is not a courtroom. Third, if you wish for more firsthand information, then join us in demanding that Trump drop his stonewalling and permit individuals with relevant information - like Bolton, Giuliani, Perry, and Mulvaney - to testify.

 

It's already been proven, my doubtful amigo.

 

I agree. The 45 minutes each, initially, was an excellent decision. It permits the sides to really delve into and make coherent arguments without breaking it up into 5 awkward minutes. Plus, you largely avoid the same "I only have a short time, so answer me quickly" or "I will be quick because I only have a few minutes" that every single politician says.

 

Sounds like a plan.

 

Precisely.

The GOP whines, cries and sobs about a (phony) lack of "due process", and yet encourages a lawless "presuhdint" to instruct people within his (mal)administration to ignore lawful subpoenas. That's ironic.

 

I understand that, at Schiff's discretion, he can go with another 45 minutes each... so that's potentially 1 hour 30 minutes of Dan Goldman vs Gordon Sondland PLUS 1 hour 30 minutes of that goofy Republican guy.

What's going to be interesting is that obviously, Goldman is going to have to treat Sondland as a hostile witness, so it's going to be a little more contentious than yesterday...

I suspect that's going to be the key showdown in trying to get this ongoing National Security risk removed from office.. Senate Republicans won't vote to remove on Contempt of Congress although that's a window they are going to wish they had shut down during the next Dem administration.

 

Different situation. Obama initially tried "the reset button." He was willing to listen to Putin's complaints about the Star Wars sites in Eastern Europe and understood the threat such sites posed to Putin, from Putin's perspective. But, things went downhill after the second Ukrainian revolution. I think Obama still held out some hope for a negotiated settlement and a return to the "reset years." However, Putin kept moving "a bridge too far." There were the assassinations of journalists and political opponents and the downing of the Malaysian commercial airliner. But, the final report, which officially blamed the Russians for its downing did not come out until after Obama left office.
Congress did not want to be dragged into another escalation by the approval of such military aid. The Republican Party removed a Cruz amendment favoring lethal aid to Ukraine, from the Republican platform. Trump ran on a Republican platform that was AGAINST lethal aid to Ukraine. After the election, Congress overrode the platform and voted to supply such aid.

 

That and very few people will listen for 6 hours.
It also makes the rants like Jordan's very ineffective because no one sees it.

 

I do feel free(even without your permission), and I find it hard to be substantive about such "nothingness". I also stopped watching Commie News Network along with Democrat orchestrations long ago. I simply thought my post added a bit of levity to an otherwise extremely Pro Shiff Show thread. I'll stand by that.

 

No.

He told Romney that the cold war was over, he was caught on a hot mic, he allowed them to invade Ukraine, he allowed them to enter Syria, he ran the "reset", he put no sanctions on them until his very last week in office like a coward, and allowed them to interfere in the 2016 elections.

Obama was a Putin asset, clearly.