What's with Bernie?

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  1. opion8d

    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll be the first to admit Bernie came out of left field (no pun intended) for me. The first whiff of Bernie's charisma I saw was in front of a FOX town hall, moderated by Bret Baier. Bernie got applause on health care. The crowd clearly liked the guy and nobody was more surprised than myself. Charisma.

    Then the primaries came along and Bernie was the favorite, sometimes by a lot. Bernie scooped up the predictable demographics, liberals, young people, African Americans, Hispanics, and union members. Mostly young people, enthusiastic young people. AWOL - working class white voters, a BIG problem.

    In ten days we will have had South Carolina and Super Tuesday. That should be defining for Bernie. If he takes it, he will take it all. Who knew? Another upstart has been Buttigieg. Where did this guy come come from? I think the answer may be the moderates. Craziness -- the militias love Buttigieg!

    So Trump and Putin are praying for Bernie. I don't know about that. Voters seem to like Bernie which counts for a lot. I have characterized Bernie as a charismatic, screaming, fire in his guts, attack dog, with a potty mouth. In a debate, Trump might be left with his jaw dropped and a look of disbelief.

    See you in ten days.
     
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    We are in agreement in that it will be an awesome contest if it does end up being Trump the brilliant brawler versus Bernie the -- not so closeted -- Marxist with outright insanity for a theoretical economic policy. Volume with meaning versus volume with economic insanity.

    But since Russia is endorsing Bernie, how can he possibly lose? Our political Left have declared since 2016 that with the Russians in your corner you ARE going to win the presidency. Gasp! They could not possibly have been wrong about that . . . could they?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Bernie is the antidote to the GREED OBSESSION that has poisoned our nation for the past couple of decades thanks to the Wall Street Casino Banksters and the feckless Establishment politicians in BOTH parties.

    What Bernie says makes sense because it goes to the heart of the problems that are plaguing hardworking Americans of all ages and demographics with the notable exception of the wealthy elite.

    That he is scaring the crap out of the Wall Street Casino Banksters is a positive attribute IMO. It is about time they faced the REALITY that when wealth disparities reach these obscene levels history teaches us that revolutions occur. Fortunately our Founding Fathers made it possible to have a revolution via the ballot box.

    Will Bernie succeed?

    He spotted the opportunity in 2016 and decided the time was right and he came within a hair of succeeding. He was STYMIED by the Dem Establishment which ultimately BACKFIRED on them and cost them the election.

    But what Bernie started didn't end in 2016. Instead it took hold and, thanks to the internet and some very dedicate people, it became the Progressive movement within the Dem party. Throughout 2017 and 2018 it became a serious force and ultimately won back 40% of all seats lost to the GOP since 2010.

    Little wonder that Bernie decided to run again in 2020. He was facing a very different set of opponents but he stuck to his message and he is prevailing.

    Hopefully the Establishment Dems have learned their lesson and do NOT try to obstruct him again because to do so would be to DOOM out nation to another 4 years of the criminal IMPOTUS.

    Yes, we must still wait and see the outcome of the primaries but Bernie has a ground game that none of the other candidates can match. That is going to be the deciding factor IMO.
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I’d like to see Bernie and Warren as vp. It’s even money if Bernie can last 4 years with his bum ticker and Warren would be a reliable backup to take over.
    But he would shake things up in a progressive way and reset trump’s deplorable agenda before kicking the bucket, and his sacrifice would energize and inspire people to carry through his dreams to fruition.
     
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    I'm not much of a Bernie fan, but he's been a politcal loner over the years, and so far isn't bringing a lot of baggage with him. I like that. I also like that he's not promoting that divisiveness that's poisoning the country now.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why does the party in the WH lose seats in the first midterm?

    Why do school districts put tax levies on the ballot in a midterm or during primary season?

    How did a bar tender beat an incumbent for NY's 14th District in 2018.

    The answer ,,,
    (1) A relatively small percentage of people participate when there is anything but a presidential election.
    (2) Participants are those energized by something like not being in power ,,, or free stuff for the gullible.
    (3) 11.8% of Democrat voters showed up for the Primaries in NY to vote for the bar tender. If there is such a thing as mainstream Democrat, those people didn't participate.

    The caucuses require a major investment in time, making attendees even less representative of the electorate.

    Since California moved their Primary up, Bernie has got a great chance of winning by the delegate count.

    Run some numbers if you doubt my perspective.
     
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    I must be missing something here. Mister Sanders is running on the FREE STUFF platform - promising free everything to those who'll vote for him, with no need for people to work for it. "Greed," is defined as an intense desire for something of monetary value, usually taken without having to work for it, by compromising one's principles.

    Mister Trump's vision of America is that hard work pays off, and he's made every effort to reduce unemployment by bringing jobs back to America, and by creating new jobs by allowing small businesses to flourish once again. Working hard to get ahead isn't a sign of greed - that's simple motivation and the desire to provide security for one's self and one's Family. Wanting something for nothing - that's the definition of being greedy.
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    BTW. This is what happens a little over a year after you let agitators select a Democrat candidate for the House in a Democrat District

    According to a recent poll, socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is very unfavorable within her own district in New York. The poll suggests that only 21% of people in her district have a favorable opinion of her and only 13% would vote for her in the next election.

    Check out the results below:

    They don’t like her. She has a more than 2:1 ratio of unfavorable (50.88%) to favorable (21.37%) in public opinion.They don’t trust her. Only 10.75% thought she had their best interests in mind in quashing the Amazon deal – 32.60% said she didn’t.They don’t want her. 33.44% are ready to vote against her, and only 13.30% would vote for her.


    https://trendingpolitics.com/aoc-receives-shocking-polling-numbers-from-her-own-district/

    Guess the 11.8% of the Democrats in NY 14 who showed up for the Primary in 2018 weren't representative of even the Democrats in that district much less the electorate.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Being an Independent myself Bernie is the first "Independent" to have a chance of becoming POTUS in my lifetime. That was why I supported him in 2016 and now in 2020.

    Being a political Independent means that you sit in the sweet spot where you can be the deciding vote. Bernie might not have "political baggage" but his influence is larger than a lot of people realize.

    The best thing about being an Independent is that you are NOT beholden to stick to an ideology even when it is wrong.

    Bernie might be a curmudgeon but he is very smart and knows what is needed to end the harm that has occurred to We the People.

    Best of all Bernie is capable of thinking for himself and would not be afraid to challenge the status quo. It is way past due that we started slaughtering some of the "sacred cows" like the military budget and use that funding to STRENGTHEN our middle class instead. A strong economy is our best defense against our enemies. Putting money back into the hands of hardworking Americans will do wonders for the economy.
     
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    Yes, you are missing something and that is REALITY!

    Did you know that 25% of those jobs pay BELOW the Federal Poverty Level wages?

    Did you know that 66% of all hardworking citizens can no longer afford the American Dream of owning their own home?

    So all of these people are working their asses off and it is NOT "paying off" for them!

    Where is the money that SHOULD be in their paychecks and bonuses?

    It is all being funneled through the GREED OBSESSED Wall Street Casino and into the OFFSHORE bank accounts of the WEALTHY ELITE thanks to the nefarious fiscal malfeasance of the GOP and Dem Establishments.

    The CONCEPT that working hard should result in rewards DOES not happen in REALITY because of the way the Wall Street Casino Banksters have DUPED our elected representatives into DEREGULATING the laws that kept them from STEALING from the paychecks and bonuses of hardworking Americans.

    Your criminal IMPOTUS is LYING to everyone while he steals our taxpayer dollars via his resorts and hotels. He has DONE NOTHING for the economy and is just LEACHING off it while stealing all the credit. He has ADDED another $3 TRILLION to our National Debt and given ALL of that money to the WEALTHY ELITE!

    Having a job that doesn't pay the bills is wage slavery. Corporations failing to pay LIVING WAGES are the beneficiaries of TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED workers.

    It is all a massive SCAM and We the People are being RIPPED OFF by the GREED OBSESSED Wall Street Casino Banksters.

    That is REALITY!
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your BOGUS source has ZERO CREDIBILITY!

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/trending-politics/

     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Feel free to prove them wrong!
     
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    Feel free to answer my question, conversely. You first.
     
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    Bernie in 2020 poverty by 2022.
     
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    Much if that in fact all of it has nothing to do with wall wall s and everything to do with local politics. Ask your self a question why is Ca. The only state where homelessness is on the rise?
     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bernie isn't running on a "free stuff" platform a d Trump isn't running on a "hard work pays off" platform. Both are populists. Trump's rightist populism attacks "elites," open borders, and champions middle class disaffection with the status quo that has created victims of those elites and the globalization they have brought with them.
    Bernies's leftist populism attacks the elites running Wall Street, the banks, politicians, corporations, and a government that favors the rich. Interesting, because either platform of populism is just a carbon copy of the other using a different brand of paper.

    Currently, populist. movements are sweeping much of the western world. If the populist movement takes off in the United States in the form of a Bernie win, the U.S. has run a revolution. When populists realize Trump is one of the elite, his party will end. Will Bernie pick up the banner of white working class angst? Big question.
     
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    I don't think there is anything unique about Bernie...he has been advocating for socialist revolutions for years...he cheered for Castro, he cheered for Hugo.....he wants what Castro and Hugo brought to Cuba and Venezula to happen here.
     
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    Bernie is ignorant. He’s a fool. But he seems to be honest and genuine.

    Love to have him as a neighbor. God help us if he’s our president.
     
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    He and fellow radical AOC. He is the now and she -- an even more lunatic and fundamentally non-thinker political leftist -- is the future of the Dem Party. Any thinking person can see it. Anyone who studied history and understood what they were studying knew the end results when the Left assumed nearly total control over the educational system and the nation's media outlets.

    The population has been consistently dumbed down in regards to how and why this nation began and why the Constitution was designed and why the Bill of Rights were attached. This was reinforced with a 'you DESERVE everything without having to work for any of it' propaganda blitz for decade after decade means; and that in turn means that eventually we are going to circle down the Socialism/Marxism toilet.

    Bernie is the overt opening salvo, yes; but the Dem Party has been infiltrated by his and AOC types of radicals over the course of decades. The groundwork for Bernie and for a 'give me free stuff!' mindset was put in place long ago.
     
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