A Mask Mandate is NOT a law

That's reality, some of our less fortunate posters can't get there.

 

It's like they think that this has never happened before and they are being discomforted for other people's safety. They also have the attitude that it is not their problem until they are dying from the disease...

 

Link?

 

Jesus dude. Infections going thru the roof
Hospitalizations going thru the roof
Deaths climbing
Get real

 

It's probably true that a mask mandate isn't a law. However, if most businesses (no matter what they are: resturants, nail salon) are smart, they will require people to wear masks. Then if you don't wear a mask, no admission for you. Just like no shirt, no shoes no service. Simple as that. Hey, you can create a new job by hiring store security guards. Boom, new job.

 

People being hospitalized doesn't mean they are going to die.
At least 1.8 million Americans have recovered from Covid, out of the 3,898,550 cases we have confirmed.
Death toll is still under 200,000

Eventually, one has to come to terms that maybe Covid isn't as deadly as initially thought.

 

There's a reason why we went through the pains of defeating the British in the way we did. So we wouldn't be ruled by kings and queens. Now is not the time for one to practice cowardice and act like a herd of blind sheep. Authoritarianism like we are seeing played out cannot be met with compliance, it has to be met with civil anarchy. Covd isn't as deadly as we are making it out to be, the droves of recovered Americans confirm that. I plan on taking my car to get washed, you think I'm going to wear a mask to do that?

Good luck.

 

From a Libertarian point of view, infringement of civil rights began when Newsom decided to first start shutting things down, then New York followed suit. The right to assemble, the right to worship, guaranteed in the First Amendment, is being trampled upon in the interest of "public safety." It should anger anyone when our own government, at the state level, threatens to penalize or jail citizens for forcing them to do something against their will. That sounds like China, not America. Choice is as American as apple pie. If you're not angered over this continued infringement that is blatantly taking effect, how can you say you possibly champion civil liberties at all? Contact tracing would only make things worse.

We libertarians get ignored by those who, aware or not, make themselves out to be the mask police.

 

Honestly, if people are this surprised, the fall is going to hit like a solid brick. I was expecting the numbers to rise, it was going to happen. Older people have proven to survive this virus as well.

Lock things down again, you put aside the risks of increasing the number of suicides and sinking the country into a depression. Open things up, you deal with the reality cases will build but people here fail to realize cases alone are not bad news, because many of those cases will be recoveries. Any mayor or governor that goes back to a local lockdown might as well kiss their position goodbye.

 

Unfortunately when it comes to disease pandemics or war, person rights and individual liberties have a way of getting thrown out the window.

In any case, I think we can agree that telling people they have to do something in a private business is not the same or anywhere as bad as telling them they have to do something in their own homes, or outside in the middle of nowhere.

 

Which rights in WW1?

So you don't think that rights should never ever be suspended? How would you defend that belief and how much sacrifice should be made by others to protect your vision of your rights?

 

Of course he doesn't have a credible link. Blowing smoke.

 

The Espionage Act of 1917 which criminalized speech critical of the war effort and likely allowed for the censorship of the (since proven) claims that we were supporting England with arms and material while officially claiming neutrality. Then we used the excuse of the Germans U-boating our ships (because they knew were shipping arms, and because the Brittish had been flying US flags on their transports to try to sneak past the U-boats) as an excuse to declare war. Also the draft. Need more?

Rights that can be suspended are not rights, and will inevitably be suspended. What possible sacrifices would other people have to make to protect 'my vision of my rights'?

 

Another lockdown will econonmically destroy the US. For you to get your rights a lot of people will need to die - not just people with Covid 19 but people who otherwise would have been able to receive hospital treatment., We do not as yet know how bad on the medical level this virus is going to be so we do not yet know how many people will die so that you can get your right not to wear a mask to stop a pandemic spreading - and that is what you believe is your right. You demand your right not to wear a mask and for you and others to go out and about spreading the pandemic. On one level we do not yet know how many people you and others will kill wanting your childish desire not to engage as an adult and take necessary precautions to stop a pandemic the eventual outcome of which we do not as yet know. On the economic level, with a country in serious problems anyway you likely have destroyed the US. History will write about the once economically mighty country which destroyed itself and made its people a 3rd world country because they demanded their right not to do what was medically necessary to halt a new Pandemic and demanded their right not to wear masks and by that to spread it. You are demanding your right to ecohnomically destroy your country and be responsible for the death and life long illness of possibly millioins.

 

What makes you think I want another lockdown? Thats an even worse violation of rights than mask laws.

People who are at-risk or otherwise afraid of infection can protect themselves without forcing me to do anything.

 

I did not say you wanted a lock down. However the right you demand would lead to that.

Everyone is at risk. Sure many people who are very old or who have particular illnessess or who have a particular colour of skin are more at risk. You expect these people to live in isolation for ever so that you can have your right not to follow medical advice. You have no thought for their rights. However as we know hospitals in the areas where the virus is growing are becoming overwhelmed. That means many more people will die due to your 'right' resulting in their inability to receive treatment. That was the reason for the first lockdown - the fear of hospitals being overwhelmed. That is the situation which has now been created in places llike Florida, Texes and Arizona because of some people believing their egotistical demand for their right not to wear a mask is more important that the right of people to life and the right for the future people of the US to be stable economically.

We now know that antibodies in many people are short lived so having this virus once will not stop most people getting it again. We also know that some people, even people who had a very mild form are not recovering from the virus. They are having ongoing, possibly life long illness. We also know that if we act as imbeciles and do not take the needed precautions to stop the pandemic that it very likely will change and could become even more deadly.

If you do not want another lockdown then you should act in the way which will avoid it. That way is wearing a mask, washing hands, social distancing and for those in charge to organise contact and trace. Your right to not wear a mask will likely demand another lockdown. You do not look at the consequenses of your actions.

 

Only The People can 'demand a lockdown.' They didn't the first time and they're not going to demand another. And even if they do, they can only do so legitimately at the local level.

We still have zero deaths from Cvirus in my county, out of 280 confirmed cases. There is zero need for a mask mandate here.

 

I would agree that it will most likely only be at the local level that lockdowns will occur this time. Where some of the population have demanded their right to act like children and show no concerfn for anything but their right not to wear a mask. Other places will likely refuse admission to people from these areas.

Rights always were about your right provided your right did not interfere with the right of others. Your right not to wear a mask will likely interfere with other people's right to life or right to a life without disabilities which could have been avoided. You believe it also comes ahead of your countries right for economic security. In such a situation your right comes very low against other people's rights.

 

They have the right to avoid contact with others. Every grocery and pharmacy now have 'seniors/at-risk' hours for people who want to avoid contact with the general population, and all essential services are available online/delivery. I'm perfectly fine with private businesses mandating masks, btw. Their property, their rules. Its the govt forcing them to that is a violation.

 

You are still believing you are only going to kill 'seniors at risk'. That itself speaks of how the humanity we have nowadays has lessened from stone age. However that is not all who are at risk. We know now that some people and I have heard these are even people who were originally asymtomatic are having on going illness which may continue for life resulting in a shorter life or a life of a much poorer quality probably resulting in the State needing to support them and possibly them eventually sueing those demanding their right not to wear masks. The idea that it is only old people who are going to be killed so it does not matter as they are dead anyway and it is up to them to find a way to survive without going out is not just sick but also untrue.

We are dealing with a novel virus. That means we do not know how it will pan out. We do know already that having the virus once does not mean one is immune from having it again. We do know that many people are having ongoing problems, we do not know what changes the virus will make but we do know how we can stop the virus from spreading. We can do that by wearing masks, regular hand washing, social distancing and our authorities putting in place contact and trace. That is the point we have reached. We can continue working providing we attend to these issues. People who do not are not just putting themselves at risk but everyone else. Their right should not come before that of the rest of the population. They do not have the right to harm their fellow country people in this way just for their egotistical desire not to wear a mask.

If people could be relied on to act in an adult way and wear masks then there would be no need for Government bodies to step in. What we are seeing is that where they did not, cases have exploded and health systems are overwhelmed. That is why Government needs to intervene.

 

So people only have rights until they don't use those rights in a way you consider wise...

...I don't think you understand what rights are.

If you don't have the right to be wrong, you don't have any rights at all.

 

I have already said what the protocol regarding rights is. People have rights when these rights do not interfere with other people's rights. Your desire for your 'right' not to wear a face mask when your 'right' interferes with the rights of others to health and life gets you nowhere.

Sure I know what rights are. They were one of the things studied on my social science degree many decades ago. If your right to wear a mask interferes with anothers right to life, you lose. Possibly you do not understand the need for priorities or for people other than you to have rights.

 

So if my breathing oxygen reduces the oxygen someone else breathes, I don't have the right to breathe. Thats a solid basis for rights...

How bout instead we just criminalize offensive violence and theft, and otherwise accept that life has inherent risks?

 

How bout those who want to increase my "inherent risks" for no very good reason go eat **** and die.

And that's a somewhat apt saying here, since no Trumper yet has seen to answer my serious question; to wit, "Do you want the FFRREEEDDOOMM to **** in the streets"

We spend literally billions, maybe even trillions, to have public sewers and WHY. Most young and healthy people DON"T get cholera from just having casual contact with feces, and we have good medicines nowadays, we can cure things like the old plagues.

And what the hell, if you're that old and decrepit you're going to die of SOMETHING. These are life's "inherent risks", yes? Why should we all pay billions just because your olfactory senses are hypersensitized by modern life.

Wear the ****ing mask.

 

Human waste in the quantities we produce is environmentally toxic. Thats why we stopped combining sanitary and storm systems, why it has to be collected and processed and why we don't **** in the street.

I work in the sewer. I don't even wear a mask when Im down there unless theres mold, im drilling concrete or the gas detector indicates a chemical hazard, because masks dont stop viruses.

I wear a mask when I have to patron a private establishment that posts that it requires them, if there isn't an alternative. The best part is I can just wear a bandana and folks like you think it actually does something even though theres a huge gap at the bottom where my breath travels unrestricted and unfiltered (not that a bandana or most of the breathable materials people wear have a tight enough weave to meaningfully catch/reduce exhaled vapor particles anyway). But it complies with the bullshit mandate nonetheless, and makes panic-philes happy. No one cares that my 'mask' is totally ineffective because they know theirs is too. Its a big ****ing virtue signalling circlejerk.