The Black Polish Women Saying ‘Don’t Call Me Murzyn’

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  1. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

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    I knew Poland was really ethnically homogenous. Therefore I'm not sure how big of an impact this will have. There is apparently some disagreement as to how bad of a word it is:
     
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    Well from what researched briefly, the word Murzyn is considered a neutral term by most polish including a black Polish politician. Its derived from "Moor". In addition the Polish word for Black, has negative connotations...it also means dirty for instance. So that wouldn't work. I think some people just wanna gripe.
     
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    I don't support calling people names, but I do support your right to do so.

    Poland is by no means perfect, far from it. But they're suffering from different problems than most other developed nations.
     
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    Even if it's an insult?
    The problem is that there is virtually no offense of insulting in the US ... but insulting is by law a crime in other countries.

    Murzyn is correctly translated as negro ... And the term negro is in and of itself an insult in many countries.

    BTW ... a funny issue about insulting:
    In my country there is also the form of address at females for Mrs. and Miss in the language existing.
    However, Miss has not been used for a very long time and is forbidden to use because this distinction between Mrs. and Miss is a discrimination against unmarried women. So with us all women are addressed as with Mrs. ... so "Dear Mrs. Smith" even if she is not married.

    So brought up I made some years ago the cardinal mistake and accidentally addressed an American and an Englishwoman with "Dear Mrs. ..." on the same day in emails at work. Wooops! I got a sloppy answer from both of them saying "I'm not a Mrs., I'm a Miss, please take that into account!"

    Note: As a man you can only do it wrong! In my country I get beaten by women if I address a woman with Miss because only Mrs. is allowed ... in other countries I get beaten by women if I don't differentiate and address a woman with Mrs., but she is a Miss.
    That's just stupid ... isn't it? :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    i have just learned then that I write to women only with "Dear Ms. ..." ;-)
     
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    Negro is based on the color black. The spanish word for black is Negro. Black people were called Negros as a neutral term until activist blacks said they like Black better. Then they preferred Afican-American. Like I said....its just griping.

    The polish word for blacks cant mean the same as negro because like I said....Black has a "dirty" meaning as well as the color for the polish.
     
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    Black is in Polish Czarny ...
    Sure is the term based on spanish word for black at least ... but another example:

    I don't know if you Americans knwo this sweet here ...

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    It was called "Negro Kiss" in the past when I was a kid and this trerm was even printed on the package box too ... but this is since many years forbidden and it is called now "chocolate kiss" ;-)
     
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    The preference for a seven syllable term to replace one that is more accurate with only a single syllable makes no sense to me at all. Not even a little. There you go. I can gripe with the best of them.
     
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    Yep, it’s getting out of hand. To be truthful I have never seen a white person in my life as Crayola Multicultural Crayons would have you believe.

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    I am not American, but as I see that as their single greatest achievement.

    The state should have no basis for making insults illegal.
     
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    And why not?
    Sorry ... an insult in public is an assault on the other's honor. That's why there used to be duels and they are known to be legally prohibited, which is right.

    In addition, in our constitution, for example, Article 1 is:

    (1) Human dignity is inviolable. It is the duty of all state power to respect and protect them. (2) The German people are therefore committed to inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every human community, of peace and justice in the world.

    As is well known, there is a good reason for this in the case of my country ... but insults are also a matter of criminal law.
     
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    There should be an element of respect and politeness in society period. But it's not something that can be imposed on people. It has to come from within a person's heart. Unfortunately, love and respect left when we denied God and His Spirit of Love which unites us, and which is the basis of all relations within our physical world.

    When you try to impose a civility and respect on others, and it doesn't exist within their hearts, then you're only creating more resentment and hatred. We're seeing it today, and it's going to get worse. There is no such thing as secular humanism. Humanism can only exist only as long as God exists within us, but as God leaves our hearts, then humanism leaves with Him.
     
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    It looks delicious. Is that marshmallow inside?
     
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    I'm part polish, but I only know the word pierogi.

    Woe is me.
     
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    Inside there is a cream-like protein foam sweetened with sugar, on a waffle and then a wafer-thin layer of chocolate.

    And yes, it's very tasty ;-)

    And then you don't know Bigos in first mind? Really woe to you .... :-D
     
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    Well ... Poland itself is something of such a deep Catholiccountry and a majority of Polish are really believers! And I say that from my own experience, because my wife is Polish and we are often enough in Poland.

    The point is that none of the former communist European countries really had anything to do with immigration from other parts of the world. There were at most a few thousand people from other communist "brother states" in Asia and Africa who came for a limited time to be trained and then to help build socialism in their country again. And in Poland there has always been only a small minority of Islamic Tartars, who make up less than 1% of the population.

    Exactly for this reason xenophobia and racism found fertile ground in the Eastern European countries, because they did not have the experiences ... good as well as bad ... as they exist in Western Europe. And if racist pied piper skilfully only point out the bad examples, then the result is clear!
     

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