Race and Crime

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  1. Conservative Democrat

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    You left the rest out. I was banned after two weeks for saying things about Jews.
     
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    cool story bro
     
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    I left out the fact that I was banned from Stormfront for saying nice things about Jews. I was banned from The Daily Stormer for the same reason. The Daily Stormer was modeled after Der Sturmer. Der Sturmer was a Nazi publication that specialized in anti Jewish cartoons and calls to use violence against Jews. The publisher of Der Sturmer was Julius Streicher. He was hanged at Nueremberg.
     
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    Thank you for the correction. Can you help me further with my understanding? It seems Chinese have 18% higher rates than Africans but statistically lower rates of violence. In the US lower than Hispanics.
     
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    You have admitted you are a racist. Is it it just Blacks you are racist about? Do you give a pass to Jews?
    Or maybe there are other reasons for the violence. 55% of African American are middle class and above. They are no more violent than whites at those class levels so you are talking about the poor. 30% of blacks qualify for a food subsidy so we can say 30% are "poor". Blacks have twice the poverty rate of whites and unlike whites are concentrated in urban areas. No matter the race poverty brings with it an increase in crime, violence and interpersonal strife. Add the concentration of poverty in urban areas and you up the anti. Police are mistrusted and viewed as an occupying force. Police are not seen as the legitimate protector of social order by some so grievances must be dealt with on a personal or "tribal" level and there is increasingly easy access to guns.

    There's more......believe it or not living in poverty is stressful. Children who grow up with chronic stress have increased levels of cortisol which causes changes in a developing brain. These children have a greater chance of having poor emotional and impulse control, poor concentration, hypervigilance (hare triggered), little empathy and aggression. All to make him a good student and a model citizen.
    Ireland (a lot of poor white people) has a slightly higher crime rate than the US. The one difference, nobody has a gun so the murder rate is lower.
     
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    Portland Oregan and Seattle Washington whites seem to be regurgitating this "lost" crime gene. Or it could it be that they grew in a Godless culture.

    It's not race but values that dictate lawlessness. And values comes from a belief system. I guarantee you black gangsters and white antifa terrorists arent showcasing Christian values, but are in essence Godless...holding contempt for their creator.
     
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    The term "racist" has been used too carelessly to have any value. It is nothing more than a way to silence the dialogue on race Bill Clinton called for, and which we need to have.

    I am a race realist. I believe that race is an important biological classification of humans. A person's race can usually be determined by appearance, and always by DNA analysis. The different races differ significantly in average characteristics necessary to create and maintain successful societies and civilizations. These are intelligence, obedience to the law, and monogamy. These characteristics can be found in each of the races, although in different proportions. Racial differences in non cosmetic characteristics have evolved because of different population pressures lasting for thousands of years.

    If someone believes that the definition of race realist is synonymous with "racist," I do not care. Nevertheless, I do not believe that my race is the most superior race. Moreover, I have liked individuals belonging to races that I did not consider to be in superior races.

    I believe that no one should be discriminated against on the basis of race. That is why I am opposed to affirmative action. I am certainly opposed to reparations.
     
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    Oh, I think the word "racist" has a lot of value. And your comment that you have to defend your views from the "anti-racists"? You seem to have rationalized your racist views by redefining it as "racial realism". The realism is very debatable. Your "realistic" evaluation of a race by those members who live in poverty for example. Do you evaluate the white race in the same way? Thinking one race is superior and the other inferior is the definition of racist for most of us "racial non-realists".

    By the way, how is your race "superior" to orientals or Jews?
     
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    I believe personally I had bit of a knee jerk reaction when he said blacks contained criminal gene.

    After thinking about this I do believe genetics do play both a part in both physical attributes and some behavioural characteristics.

    Although I'm not saying black are genetically made to be criminals. I do beliive behaviour is a product of both social and genetic influences.

    Out of genetic and social I do believe social influences are the most powerful at influencing a person's behaviour but I don't think we can deny genetics must at least play some part in how a person thinks.


    An example (not a great example comparable to humans ) would be dogs and dog breeds. Sure training and the owner plays a big part in the dogs final temperament.

    But breed is a reliable indicator into what type of dog a puppy will grow to be. It's accepted that genetics will dictate a dogs characteristics.

    You would be crazy to expect say that a Belgian Malinois could turn out with a similar temperament as say a King Charles Spaniel, or expect the spanial to do the same job a Malinois were designed for.

    This is just one example and a very clear example showing that genetics do have a huge influence on behaviour within different groups in a species.

    So my question why would it not be possible for genetics not influence behaviour in the human species?

    I'm not saying blacks are genetically predisposed to be criminals. I'm just agreeing with the fact that it's perfectly possibly that there are slight genetic differences within groups within humanity which could be a factor in influencing a person's behaviour.
     
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    I am a white Gentile. Madison Grant would have called me a Nordic. My ancestors come from Germany, Norway, England, and Switzerland. Madison Grant thought that Nordics were the most superior race. Professor J. Philippe Rushton disagreed, and I agree with Professor Ruthton. This is what Professor Rushton had to say about racial differences in his essay "Race, Evolution, and Behavior."

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    Modern science shows a three-way pattern of race differences in both physical traits and behavior. On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, less sexually active, less aggressive, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole. Whites fall in the middle, but closer to Orientals than to Blacks...

    Race differences start in the womb. Blacks are born earlier and grow quicker than Whites and Orientals. The three-way race pattern occurs in milestones such as sexual maturity, family stability, crime rates, and population growth...

    Race differences exist in sexual behavior. The races differ in how often they like to have sexual intercourse. This affects rates of sexually transmitted diseases. On all the counts, Orientals are the least sexually active, Blacks the most, and Whites are in between...

    IQ tests measure intelligence and predict real life success. The races differ in brain size and on IQ tests. On average Orientals have the largest brains and highest IQs. Blacks average the lowest, and Whites fall in between. The brain size differences explain the IQ differences both within groups and between groups...

    A number of studies show that race differences are caused by both genes and environment. Heritabilities, cross-race adoptions, genetic weights, and regression-to-the-average all tell the same story. Cross-race adoptions give some of the best proof that the genes cause race differences in IQ. Growing up in a middle-class White home does not lower the average IQ for Orientals nor raise it for Blacks.
    http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm

    The Bell Curve is mainly an empirical work about the causes of social stratification and that it reached its conclusions only after fully analyzing a 12-year longitudinal study of 12,486 youths (3,022 of whom were African American) which showed that most 17-year-olds with high IQs (Blacks as well as Whites) went on to occupational success by their late 20s and early 30s whereas many of those with low IQs (both Black and White) went on to welfare dependency. The average IQ for African Americans was found to be lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103, 106, and 115, respectively, pp. 273-278). Failure to mention these data fosters the false belief that IQ tests are not predictive and are biased in favor of North Europeans.
    http://www.cpsimoes.net/artigos/art_rush.html

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    I evaluate a race by average intelligence, as well as rates of crime and illegitimacy. I have not been able to find rates of crime and illegitimacy for Ashkenazi Jews, but I am fairly confident that they are lower than the rates for white Gentiles.

    I dislike the use of the word "racist" because it interferes with the dialogue on race that Bill Clinton called for, and that we need to have. In a real dialogue whites will have the same freedom to criticize blacks that blacks have long had to criticize whites.






     
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    I never claimed that blacks are the exclusive carriers of crime genes. The first crime gene to be discovered is known as the warrior gene. It was discovered in a Finnish family that was known for violent crime. Nevertheless, it was soon discovered that few whites had this gene, and that five percent of Negroes did.

    I believe that there are a number of genes that increase the likelihood that one will be a criminal. I believe that these genes can be found in each of the races, but that they are more commonly found in Negroes than in whites or Orientals.
     
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    Yeah! By Rushton's numbers East Asians are the "Superior Race". Suck it whities!
     
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    That is just exactly what Professor Rushton says. That is fine with me. I prefer Orientals to members of my own race.
     
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    Is it a matter of having good taste or racism?

    It's the old nature vs. nurture debate on intelligence. I've engaged with others of your lot in the past and I wish I saved my comments so I could copy and paste, but here we go fresh.

    Hong Kong residents have an average IQ of 108. Residents of equatorial Guinea have an IQ of 59. You are comfortable saying an entire country's people are mentally retarded. You have managed to rationalize your racism through confirmation bias. Choosing things like brain size between races to account for intelligence and then admitting women's 10% smaller brain does not affect intelligence. Ignoring evidence like children from lower socioeconomic levels adopted into a middle-class family often increase their IQ scores by 15 to 20 points. In another study, researchers tested 33 adolescents' intelligence once and then again four years later. In that short amount of time, some of their IQ scores varied by more than 20 points. In other words intelligence is malleable. It can increase or decrease over time. Measurement of intelligence varies with education, verbal skills, test bias, stress, life experiences, test taking ability, ability to think logically....none of which add up to a measure of ones total intelligence or the persons potential intelligence, but all variable by "nurture".

    In fact there are many forms of intelligence and the IQ test only measures two linguistic and logic/mathematical. A musical genius like Mozart may have done poorly on an IQ test. People with other cognitive abilities like memory, musical, artistic, social skills, motor skills are not measured. Those people, according to the culture they live in, may be the most successful and undervalued by white European opinion.
     
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    how exactly do you figure that caucusasians dont have the crime gene when they drop nukes on ppl and basically kill random ppl around the globe using remote control drones or maybe its a different gene like the total nutter gene??

    is stormfront down btw?
     
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    I have never said "an entirely country's people are mentally retarded." Nevertheless, if the average IQ of a country is below the cut off point for mental retardation, the future prospects for that country are pretty grim, as they look good for the people of Hong Kong.
     
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    IQ correlates highly with academic and economic success. I doubt the other kinds of "intelligence" do. Intelligence and creativity correlate closely. Mozart is estimated to have had an IQ of 155 to 165.

    http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/301geniuses-2.htm
     
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    Race Differences In Average IQ Are Mostly Genetic, Not Cultural
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    A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.

    The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast "a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural)."

    The paper, "Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability," by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors' reply...

    4. Brain Size Differences. Studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) find a correlation of brain size with IQ of about 0.40. Larger brains contain more neurons and synapses and process information faster. Race differences in brain size are present at birth. By adulthood, East Asians average 1 cubic inch more cranial capacity than Whites who average 5 cubic inches more than Blacks.

    5. Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children,

    https://rense.com//general77/racedif.htm
     
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    Whites are effective militarily because they have good organizational skills. They also have low crime rates everywhere they live.
     
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    I joined Stormfront as a lark to see how long I would last. I was banned after two weeks for pointing out that one of Hitler's charges against German Jews was untrue.
     
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    Let's suppose it's all true. So what?
     
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    From a right-wing, pseudoscience, conspiracy website? It is clearer who we are dealing with.
    Anyway, in that same June 2005 issue: J. P. Rushton and A. R. Jensen (see record 2005-03637-001) ignore or misinterpret most of the evidence of greatest relevance to the question of heritability of the Black-White IQ gap. A dispassionate reading of the evidence on the association of IQ with degree of European ancestry for members of Black populations, convergence of Black and White IQ in recent years, alterability of Black IQ by intervention programs, and adoption studies lend no support to a hereditarian interpretation of the Black-White IQ gap. On the contrary, the evidence most relevant to the question indicates that the genetic contribution to the Black-White IQ gap is nil.
     
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    Yes, let's suppose all that is true and it was accepted by everyone because an IQ test is the gold standard for intelligence measurement. There would be a caste system that would develop that would be worse than the one we live with now. At the top, the master race, would be east Asians, then Jews, Europeans, and at the bottom blacks and indigenous people. The top races would be the elite and the bottom would have the menial jobs and no expectations of advancement. Eugenics would be cool again.
     
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    I'm on your side. I just wanted to know how an avowed racist thinks. The kind of sites that peddle racist theories are obviously off limits to me, so when I finally catch "a live one" outside his natural habitat I try to get as much information as I can.
     
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    Perhaps DNA test as a child. Stop people reproducing that are likely to pass on unfavorable genes.

    That's if we wanted to better the Human race. Obviously there is always adoption available for the people that have been denied reproduction rights.

    A bit what good dog breeders do. They only breed for health and temperament in order to keep up breed standards and further the breed.

    It could be argued it's cruel not to do this.
     
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