WALSH: George Floyd Bodycam Footage Is Out. We Weren't Told The Full Truth.

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  1. CenterField

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    One of the autopsies. The other one shows the opposite. As for who is wrong, we'll wait and see what the Court will find out and decide.
     
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    Sure, but shoplifting and using drugs are not offenses that are punishable by death sentences. The police are still supposed to follow procedure.
     
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    I do, and said above doesn't see signs of it. So, you fail. Read the text. That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure." Meaning the official ME specifically DOES NOT state that the floyd family is correct in this case. Talk about embarrassing yourself....
     
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    Resisting arrest is not the same thing as shoplifting or use of illicit narcotic substances. They are not even remotely the same, or comparable to one another.

    And procedure dictates that the lives of law enforcement are of higher importance, legal or otherwise, than the lives of private individuals. There is no procedure that dictates law enforcement officers must give up their lives, or otherwise put their own wellbeing at jeopardy, just to ensure a suspect is taken alive.
     
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    There's different degrees of resisting arrest. The "resisting" Floyd was doing isn't punished with a death penalty either.
    Yeah, sure, agreed there, but pray tell, when exactly was Floyd threatening the lives of these officers??? Because that's not what was seen.

    Anyway, I get it. Whatever the facts of the case you'll always find an excuse for this particular crew of policemen's behavior. Apparently you can't see that some police forces do have some bad apples like all other professions in the world. So maybe we should just agree to disagree.[/quote][/QUOTE]
     
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    And yet, as a convicted felon, George Floyd would know better than anyone just how dangerous it is to resist arrest. Yet he chose to do so regardless.

    Such is not relevant when the matter pertains to what law enforcement officers are taught at the academy. They are taught to maintain physical control of the situation at all costs, and resistance is to be met with increasing force to maintain that control.

    Either one sides with law and order, or they support the activity of criminals. The matter is that simple.
     
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    If Floyd would have calmly complied with officers requests maybe he could have lasted till the ambulance came. Instead he struggled and fought them and subsequently ended up dying of a heart attack because of it. Fact.
     
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    Sure. The one payed for by the family. Because that should be non biased... Face it. You can't let go of the lie that you fell for. It is that simple.
     
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    Reading comprehension fails you. The heart failure, even if it happened over the course of years, was exhausted when the officer kneeled on his neck and starved his brain for oxygen. THAT is the heart failure they describe as the cause of death.

    Again, your embarrassing yourself. Let it go.
     
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    So, two things. A) you aren't a licensed Medical examiner are you? You haven't independently reviewed either the body or the lab results have you? And B) your understanding of what a heart attack is is laughable. Heart failure isn't a durable event. Asphyxiation is a probative forensic determination. The ME found no evidence of it. The ME hired by the family never had direct access, just the files, and his assertion of certainty here is laughable.

    So why continue to mischaracterize the facts here? It isn't funny, it's abusive.
     
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    When did stupidity become a capital offense?
     
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    People act irrationally for many reasons, being a "scared bitch" is certainly one of them.
     
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    As you make the very same assertions.

    No, heart failure isn't a durable event. FFS ! The heart is a muscle that is weakened over time by "heart failure", which, during the asphyxiation takes less time when it is over used. Strangulation of the blood supply to the brain causes the brain to ask the heart to work harder.............and since the heart was already weakened due to the failure, caused the heart failure. The heart failed to keep up with the stress put on it when the brain was starved for oxygen. 2+2= 4

    Dear lord man.
     
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    Just feel free to admit that you actually don't understand the conversation. It's ok. Being duped and going public with it seems unlikely to build credibility on your part, but you did try. So there is that. The ME says your wrong. Sorry you can't accept it. Sorry it undermines your racism narrative. sorry that it undercuts your anger. But at some point, not being angry is a much less stressful way to live....
     
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    FFS, YOU don't understand that one effects the other. Because you cant do 2+2 is on you. Apparently for you the human body is a bunch of independent organs that dont interact in any way

    Have a nice day
     
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    Ask Rayshard Brooks, or any number of other individuals who thought it was a good idea to go about committing numerous felonies because they wanted to do such, even when said felonies put others at the risk of harm as a result.

    When did stupidity become a legal defense?
     
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    Actually, one does not lead to the other. Asphyxiation created by external source wasn't indicated. Sorry this cannot overcome your dogma.
     
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    Huh?

    I could understand it if he said: Akkchkxxx!.
     
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    You cannot be serious ?

    Strangulation of blood to the brain does not increase heart rate ?

    If you starve the brain of blood, that IS asphyxiation. You should prolly take a basic anatomy class sometime.
     
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    Maybe. Begging for his life sure didn't work for him.
     
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    Well, I don't deny that the autopsy paid for by the family is likely biased, but it may be just as biased as the autopsy done by the medical examiner who is a public servant who needs to work with the police department every day. The truth is probably in the middle. So, that's why I said, we'll wait for the Court to decide. Hopefully all the evidence will be spelled out, with experts from both sides detailing how they reached their conclusions, and all. That's what the jury is for; to decide who gets to be more convincing, to weigh on the quality of the evidence. So, we'll see.
     
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    He was high, confused, and scared.
     
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    Why not? Why don't you have sympathy with this officer? The more footage you watch the more justified their actions,
     
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    He died because of his drug abuse and underlying health conditions. Wait for the trial and we have the demonstrations showing how you can apply that technique safely. He was immobile because they had subdued him.
     
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    And they did, Floyd killed himself by resisting. What is wrong with so many African Americans that they think they have the right to resist arrest?
     
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