Do you agree with race realism?

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Do you agree with race realism?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    1) Good diet (luckily, it's the cheapest diet of all - near vegetarianism, in-season fresh fruit and vegetables, and brown rice/beans), plus plenty of exercise.

    2) Synaptic pathways (the infrastructure of intellect) are firmed and strengthened very early in life (late in utero and during first years) by one event only. Focused, constant, eye-to-eye engagement with a specific primary carer. All the activities which promote this engagement are well understood. Minimum two years of breastfeeding, no daycare, co-sleeping with parents, no pacifiers or 'rocking' devices, and daily copious time spent interacting (verbally and via eye contact) with the child. It comes via living arrangements (breastfeeding, co-sleeping etc), and by conscious choice.
     
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    Schools have several problems. But the 500 pound gorilla in the room is NIMBYism.
     
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    No. Your claims are just factually incorrect. Under the current system, the privileged own the options, and everyone else has to pay them full market value just for permission to access those options.
    No. Your claims are just factually incorrect. Same options, different owners.
    IOW, some are strong enough to run a race while carrying a parasite on their back, and some aren't.
    It doesn't take strength, coordination or balance to run a race while carrying a parasite on your back, all it takes is self-discipline...?

    Somehow, I kinda figured it'd be something like that....
     
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    In USA, in cities in particular, cheap vegetarianism isn't the cheapest. Highly processed foods are much cheaper.
    And given many black families/households, are limited on money, they usually opt for the lowest cost food. Processed food.

    So, poor people in general, will lack the good diet needed to enhance brain development. Especially in USA cities.
     
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    I don't care about race anything anymore... I've decided to attend white supremacist school :lol: ... as soon as I get out of my stage 4 lockdown I'm going to take some classes
     
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    As long as a given school can produce even one high achiever, then the school isn't the problem. It's the culture/behaviour of the student demographic. And NIMBYism :p
     
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    That's unequivocally false. It's been proven (many many times) that the raw ingredients are much less expensive than the processed 'convenience' version of the same thing. Even without the hard numbers, it's absurd to suggest that adding processes and packaging doesn't add considerable cost to the raw ingredients.

    EG a processed frozen meal of say, roast beef & mash, might seem cheap at $2, but when you measure the amount of actual beef and potatoes in the thing, it's going to be about 50c worth AT BEST. You're paying the extra $1.50 for the processing and packaging. However if you were to use raw beef and fresh potatoes to make a bulk batch of the same meal, you would end up paying half what the processed version cost, per same sized meal. AND you'd be vastly healthier because there would be no chemicals, no excess sodium, etc etc etc.
    And that's only if you insist on eating red meat. If you eat a mostly vegetarian diet based on brown rice and beans/lentils/eggs/canned fish, your costs will be lower again. I can make a meal for 5 adults for $3 using rice and beans, and that includes spices + olive oil. Very healthy, very filling, and very ****ing cheap. Add five eggs and it's still only about $4. Add five small serves of pink salmon instead of eggs, and the cost goes to $5 - still cheap. Consider that where I to buy a $2 beef & mash processed frozen meal for each, that'd be double the price and quadruple the toxins.

    People who buy processed and convenience foods almost always do so because they're too lazy to cook from scratch. Those foods are significantly more expensive, and so must be classified as a luxury item - purchased due to want, not need.
     
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    We used to be the best. Then we dropped out of the top 5. Then we dropped out of the top 10.

    Give me a number, how low is acceptable? 20th, 30th, 100th?
     
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    Not sure what that means, sorry.
     
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    OK, big guy. Name an anti poverty program that changed members of the unemployable underclass into law abiding, tax paying, hard working members of America's working class.
     
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    What is your excuse for the fact that no anti poverty program changed the unemployable into stable members if the working class?
     
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    What nonsense. The quality of the school is almost irrelevant to most high achievers, who achieve mainly because of their genetic predisposition to do so, and often achieve even more when homeschooled.
    The students are kids: they behave however they can get away with. Some of that is thanks to their parents, somewhat less of it thanks to their peers, even less of it thanks to the school. But the biggest part of it is genetic.

    There has been a significant cultural change in the last several decades, though: when I was in grade school, it was almost unheard-of for a parent to take their child's side against a teacher (and yes, some -- a few -- teachers disgracefully abused that parental trust). Now it is commonplace, almost expected, and teachers are consequently placed in an impossible situation. Every teacher knows the worst-behaved students almost always have the worst-behaved parents.
     
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    ISTR EITC is the only one that has shown statistically meaningful success.
     
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    1) Kids who do well have one thing in common, and it's not money, race, creed, privilege, luck, or good looks .. it's parents who take education seriously. Nothing to do with genetics. Any parent can choose that path. ANY parent. I've seen single mothers of four produce doctors and teachers. I've seen rich married people with one kid, produce a drop-out. Choices .. all choices.

    2) All of the child is thanks to their parenting. You sound like someone who either didn't parent as well as they could have (none of us do, so don't imagine I think I have), or know someone with shitty kids. IOW, you don't like the idea of parental responsibility, so would prefer to imagine it's genetic. It's not genetic.
     
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    Affirmative action.
     
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    It means we need better schools, the rest of the world is getting better at educating their kids, we are getting worse.
     
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    But it's not your schools getting worse, it's your parents!

    Schools are still producing scholars just as they always have. They are still perfectly capable of supporting the ambitious child to academic success.
     
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    That's certainly false.
    Flat wrong, if you are talking about convenience and snack foods.
    Processed, yes, of course: white flour is cheaper than whole wheat, white rice cheaper than brown. But I wouldn't call white flour and white rice highly processed. White flour isn't that much less nutritious than whole wheat, and white rice isn't that much less nutritious than brown. The nutrients they lack are easily supplied by beans, milk, eggs, and vegetables. You don't have to go pure vegetarian, either: chicken and pork are often very cheap, and you don't need much to add a lot of flavor. If you have a working kitchen with a stove and a fridge, you can feed a family of five quite well on $5/day.
    The reason genuinely poor people in US cities can't eat a tasty and nutritious diet for very little money is that they don't have a stove, a fridge, a kitchen, or maybe even a safe place to sleep. If they can afford those things, they can eat quite well for very, very little money. They can also get decent clothing very cheaply at thrift stores, or even free from charities. The cost of food and clothing is not what keeps the American poor poor. It is the need to pay a landowner full market value just for permission to work, to shop, to access desirable public services and infrastructure -- in short, to exist -- that keeps them poor.
     
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    If you say so, as a supposed foreigner.
     
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    Frozen dinners and foods are pretty cheap.
     
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    It's AMERICAN research, dear. But it holds true in my country, also.

    So what do you say to it? How are you going to defend the lazy choice to avoid cooking from scratch, now that you know it's actually more expensive?
     
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    No, they are NOT.

    Broken down to their raw ingredients weight for weight, they can be up to quadruple the cost per meal.
     
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    No, sometimes the kids of parents who don't take education seriously do well anyway.
    I see. So, on your planet, parents' genetic predisposition to take education seriously somehow is not passed on to their children. Fascinating.
    Parents cannot choose their kids' path. If you think they can, you are delusional.
    Nope. The roll of the genetic dice. But unlike the dice rolls in a casino, the genetic dice rolls are not independent.
    No, I've already proved to you that that is false. The University of Minnesota Twins Study proved it 40 years ago: identical twins reared apart are more alike in their personalities and life choices than fraternal twins reared together. Sorry, but that is just flat-out empirical proof that you are wrong. Nothing you can ever say, do, or believe will ever change that fact.
    It would be a fortunate parent indeed who believed they raised their children as well as they could have. I'm satisfied I did a lot better than average.
    I'm sure we all know people with $#!+ kids.
    So, more of your absurd, gratuitous, insulting, and utterly baseless ad hominems. Inevitably.
    Kids' genes are also their parents' responsibility, duh. And the Twins Study proved it is genetic.
     
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    Some frozen foods are cheap, like frozen peas. Frozen dinners, no.
     
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    That kind of study proves nothing but that basically the same people will be a lot like each other, which is what identical twins are that is, the same person genetically.

    No one is trying to argue that genetics has NO effect but your conclusion, that genetics is destiny and that even racial makeup has an effect overcoming upbringing, education and most everything else simply does not follow.
     
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