How to be WrOnG ... BETTER

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  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Happy for you to refer to Marx. Good luck ;)
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe it might help if you cited a popular RWA member.
    " lefties already condemn them " is an example of a run on sentence
    with no discernable import { meaning }.
    Open-ended poppycock.
     
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    IOW, the same thing.
    Probably explains the Hitler/Stalin Pact that started WW II.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Karl Marx was not nearly as popular in his day than what we hear
    or read about.Plus he was a *scoundrel { Living off his relatives
    basically most his life.} His few writings { books } could not support him.
    Plus Engels { his colleague } was the one who actually wrote the
    Communist Manifesto.Marx took his sweet time in getting it written.

    * he applied an early use of Identity Politics in his run-up
    to make a name for hisself.
     
  5. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Hitler started WW2. Stalin attempted to buy time to make up for his stupidity.
     
  6. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    You seem to think I was asking you to give a gossip column over Marx. I wasn't. I was asking for content over the Marxist perspective. Perhaps compare Marxist understanding of wage determination with Adam Smith and then right wing grunt that folk get the wage they deserve?
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Name One country who has successfully adopted a Marxist
    Regime.It does not work.That is provable.
    I don't care how may Students at Columbia U. are
    lectured to otherwise.
    David Horowitz has written extensively about this topic.
    He should know.He grew-up in a household that believed
    in Communism.He attended Columbia U.
    Early in his radical days he Identified as a Marxist Intellectual.
    He has since been on a Mission to Identify how Marxism and
    Communism operate in tandem.Converted to being a staunch defender
    of Pragmatic Conservatism.
     
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    In fact, The USSR and Nazi Germany invaded Poland together and divided up its territory starting WW II. Did the USSR murder thousands of captured Polish officers to "buy time"?
     
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    Why ramble about Stalin to me? Go read some Orwell. Much more productive.
     
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    This only proves that you haven't read any Marxism. Its ultimately a politicial economy which tracks economic development from feudalism onwards. Talking Marxist regime becomes nonsensical, given it deliberately ignores those evolutionary developments. You can, mind you, talk about its relevance in understanding capitalism's contradictions (e.g. unemployment trends; discriminatory practices; economic crisis etc).
     
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    Cool story, who wrote it? A jumbled can of alphabet soup has more in common with reality.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Zero critique? Tut tut! Of course, given the bingo numbers referred to anti-intellectualism, that's expected isn't it?
     
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    Ironic, look at your first post in this thread then remove thy plank from thine eye.

    One could read the tea leaves better than to decipher such a load of fantasy.
     
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    Still no critique :) Gosh, its as if you can't.

    I've gone through fascism in detail, demonstrating how each definition trait is applicable to the US. Critique would involve referring to it. Good luck.
     
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    Here is 'your' "critique'' to the OP.

    Scares me to see this. The US has become fascist and folk are whining about the left? Post-truth has ejaculated.
     
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    Great to see you can copy and paste! ;)

    I've since supported that post, providing a detailed application of definition trait. You can either ignore it or provide a critique. Kindergarten flamebaiting is not on the table.
     
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    I see you can cut and paste too! Provide something that is not a load of word salad BS and give the author credit.
    The USA is not remotely "fascist".
     
  18. Reiver

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    Chortle, chortle! Thats all mine. I have used scholars for definition trait. For example, the Theory of the Elites can be traced back to the granddaddy of fascism Pareto. Its as if you're not aware of any of it ;)

    Now I've gone through the definition traits of fascism. I've been good enough to use scholars for that, ensuring that its not corrupted by subjectivity. I've then demonstrated, with each trait, how it is consistent with the US. You don't like that. You seem to think you can say 'my opinion is bigger than yours'. You cant. You have to show that, given those definition traits, the US exhibits mutually exclusive characteristic. Good luck (again)!
     
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    We can start with your first paragraph...


    Number 69, 'the reactionary and terroristic dictatorship of finance capital'! Trump uses his position to mandate economic destruction. Nationalism provided the initial means to ensure compliance. But its more than that now. Make America Great Again ultimately allowed elimination of any real notion of economic individualism.

    The above is nothing but pure partisan opinion, devoid of any factual basis. If this is what you think constitutes "I've then demonstrated, with each trait, how it is consistent with the US." What more is there to discuss when you start with that?

    If you think that is some "victory" of sorts then my sincere congrats.
     
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    This made me laugh. This is one of the most obvious traits of America. See, for example, its use of sanctions: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ctions-united-nations-oil-pdvsa-a8748201.html

    Trump is very much a Nazi Germany wannabe. Here we know that capitalism continued, but with centralised demands. We see the exact same with Trump. As soon as any business threatens, he dictates financial consequences. Here's one chosen randomly: https://theweek.com/articles/809784/trump-punches-free-enterprise
     
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    Not as much as your second and third paragraphs made me, they amounted to this.... 106803080_600140690902473_7748237392340131486_n.jpg
     
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    Another churlish effort! I was hoping you would continue to try and critique, but it seems your failed first effort has scared you off. Bit of a shame
     
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    You did nothing but attempt to present some biased opinions as "facts". Prove your first paragraph. Choop Choop!
     
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    Nuanced debate doesn't fit on a bumper sticker, or in a tweet. Consider your audience...
     
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    No content again. You've tried once and I demonstrated your error, referring to case study evidence that highlights consistency with Nazi German outcome. Arent you going to try and pretend Trump supports free enterprise? ;)
     

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