Kamela Harris is Not Eligible to Become President

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  1. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Kamala Harris in not eligible to become president or vice president. Her mother was not a citizen when she was born. Natural Born means natural childbirth, so Kamala is actually a naturalized citizen.

    The requirement was never amended by a Constitutional Amendment so what was written in 1789 is still very much valid. And the 1790 naturalization regulations are very specific about the topic.

    At the time, "Natural Born," was used as a British Common law term to pronounce if a child was born a free person or a slave. Very simply put, if a slave gave birth to a child, the child was a slave as well.
     
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    Oh ****. Here come the Birthers again. Give it a rest, dude.
     
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    Natural Born means natural childbirth

    I thought natural childbirth meant no drugs. What are you talking about?
     
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    LOL

    The Russia brigade calling people birthers.
     
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    She was born in California.
     
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    proof? Got videos?
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It doesn't matter where she was born.

    Her mother was not a US Citizen and therefore she is naturalized.

    Ted Cruz was born in Canada to a US citizen. He is eligible.

    The executive branch qualifications were never amended through the Constitutional amendment process.
     
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    At the time the Constitution was written, the definition of natural born citizen was understood to be that articulated in Law of Nations. The passage can be found here:

    http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/goatsledge/20081212 Law of Nations.pdf

    As I recall from the Obama debacle, either GW or TJ checked the book out of the library and it was 251 years overdue at that time.
     
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    Harris was born in Oakland. She's as much a natural born citizen as the Tangerine Turd. Give it up, your desperation is pitiful.
     
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    Another constitutional scholar who never went to law school. But as long as there is a right wing blog to read... it'll do!
     
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    I swear I thought this was a joke when I read the title. She was born in California. Nothing else matters. What the hell is wrong with right wing people in this country?
     
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    Do you want the list in alphabetical or chronological order?
     
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    A significant percentage of Trump's republican party should be committed.

    I mean, they aren't racist at all. They just believe that anyone who isn't white isn't eligible to be president or vice president. The more I read posts like this, the more I realize we live in a country filled with dumb, uninformed people (the exact type of people who Trump relies on).
     
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    The Constitution?
    Article II, Section 1
    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

    The English language?
    The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

    Article II, Section 1 as amended has another inconvenient clause that discusses the Electoral College.
    Why not just tell us in advance which clauses you don't like rather than waiting to be bitten before you bark?

    Obama wasn't eligible either -- he got a pass, just as he and Biden will get a pass for their treasonous Russiagate conspiracy.
     
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    The 14th Amendment

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section 2.
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    Section 3.
    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    Section 4.
    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    Section 5.
    The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

    SCOTUS on point:

    United States v. Wong Kim Ark:

    "the American citizenship which Wong Kim Ark acquired by birth within the United States has not been lost or taken away by anything happening since his birth." The opinion of the Court was written by Associate Justice Horace Gray and was joined by Associate Justices David J. Brewer, Henry B. Brown, George Shiras Jr., Edward Douglass White, and Rufus W. Peckham.

    Upholding the concept of jus soli (citizenship based on place of birth), the Court held that the Citizenship Clause needed to be interpreted in light of English common law, which had included as subjects virtually all native-born children, excluding only those who were born to foreign rulers or diplomats, born on foreign public ships, or born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country's territory. The court's majority held that the subject to the jurisdiction phrase in the Citizenship Clause excluded from U.S. citizenship only those persons covered by one of these three exceptions (plus a fourth "single additional exception"—namely, that Indian tribes "not taxed" were not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction). The majority concluded that none of these four exceptions to U.S. jurisdiction applied to Wong; in particular, they observed that "during all the time of their said residence in the United States, as domiciled residents therein, the said mother and father of said Wong Kim Ark were engaged in the prosecution of business, and were never engaged in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China".

    Quoting approvingly from an 1812 case, The Schooner Exchange v. M'Faddon, in which Chief Justice John Marshall said, "The jurisdiction of the nation within its own territory is necessarily exclusive and absolute"—and agreeing with the district judge who had heard Wong's original habeas corpus petition that comments in the Slaughterhouse Cases about the citizenship status of children born to non-citizen parents did not constitute a binding precedent—the Court ruled that Wong was a U.S. citizen from birth, via the Fourteenth Amendment, and that the restrictions of the Chinese Exclusion Act did not apply to him. An act of Congress, they held, does not trump the Constitution; such a law "cannot control [the Constitution's] meaning, or impair its effect, but must be construed and executed in subordination to its provisions." The majority opinion referred to Calvin's Case (1608) as stating the fundamental common law principle that all people born within the King's "allegiance" were subjects, including children of "aliens in amity".

    Here endeth the lesson...

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    Nobody doubts her citizenship or that of Obama. The lesson was over with the definition of natural born citizen that I posted. If all that was required was citizenship, Article II Section 1 would have simply said:
    No Person except a Citizen of the United States shall be eligible to the Office of President;

    If that's what they meant, that's what they would have said. We both know that.
     
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    No. SCOTUS is quite clear on this. If you're born on US soil, that's enough. You are a natural born citizen. End of story, end of discussion. It's the established law of the land, deal with it. Or don't. It won't change a damn thing. Even Keg Boy isn't enough of a fool to agree with you on this.
     
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    Yes. The SCOTUS is quite clear that if you are born on US soil, you are an American Citizen per the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment. Nowhere did they rule on Article II Section 1, the definition of Natural Born Citizen. It's the law of the land. Live with it.
     
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    Do you think your interpretation is going to change the objective reality of her candidacy and/or the validity of her office if she becomes VP?
     
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    Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States Constitution

     
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    Who knows...but it's startling
     
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    With your way of thinking then trump cant be president. His parents were born overseas so why aren't you complaining?
     
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    It's just a fact as it was in 2008. No one had the guts to challenge the illegitimate election of the first black (not really) President. The founders' fears of dual allegiances, the purpose of the stipulation, were confirmed when Obama sent US tax dollars to Kenya and when his allegiance to Islam caused him to give a stand down order that allowed Iran to murder Americans in Benghazi.

    Neither Kamala nor Obama were natural born citizens and 11 million illegal aliens aren't immigrants no matter how you spin.
     
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    Wow...the crazy...it hurts
     
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