Nixon, one of the greatest Presidents?

Looking forward to that one, I can't say I particularly cared for his presidency or policies, but I can't deny he IS a decent man. Perhaps that was his undoing.

 

Nixon started a whole series of government agencies including the EPA. He began the pullout from Vietnam and generally increased the prestige of the US throughout the world.

He even instituted wage and price controls that would be too liberal by even today’s standards!

However he was intensely paranoid and ran effectively a secret government and had questionable relationships with mobsters and orchestrated a break in of the Democratic Party to undermine a campaign that didn’t even have a prayer of winning in 1972!

It didn’t even make sense!

 

He was a great politician, taking away liberal plans and arguments with laws that Democrats wanted....

 

Harry S Truman famously described him as "that sneak thief from the China lobby."

Giving emotional teenagers a vote is not an idea worth broadening after we've seen how things went since he did that. Nine states have legal marijuana and God knows what else inflicted to appease the "yoof."

True, he ended the war and the draft and we would have ended HIM had he not done so. Funny how subordinates' bungling changed all that. But in history's final draft Nixon will be the Dark Prince, tortured within and reviled without. Any believable villain believes he is not a bad guy. But was Nixon a bad guy for what subordinates did? Back then, yes. Today? Crickets. Obama's crew of slimebags are DIFFERENT, see!

The amazing part is how much coarser things have gotten since then and the heightened degree of immunity we nowadays hold toward offenses like monitoring a President without his knowledge. Obama's people were criminals. Nixon's people weren't the only ones by any means.

 

Partly because you don't understand the man or the era.

Wage and price controls make sense in an emergency, we're talking world war levels of things getting f***ed up. They were a terrible idea, at that time.

He had to go along with the creation of the EPA, but you can tell what he thought of it by looking at Superfund, which f*** the EPA over.

Just for giggles, google up his palace uniforms.

 

~ "The Great One" Jackie Gleason was pals with Nixon

 

He knew nothing about the break in until after it happened. His error was attempting to cover it up once he did find out

 

Hard to say if he knew about it.
He definitely erased all kinds of records and the existence of the plumbers which he did know about makes everything quite suspicious.

 

Communism and Socialism go hand in hand. Both favor the State over the individual. Steal from the producers and redistribute.The "modern countries" you like to exemplify are the beginning of a Communist Globalism. Only the elite are prosperous. They can go to hell in a handbasket!

 

The only Miller that comes to mind is Dennis Miller?

It's a bunch of leftist propaganda crap because YOU made it up! Never did I say "all of our cities".....I said "segments of our cities". And those cities happen to be under Democrat/Marxist occupation. Do you work for CNN?

 

AND....unlike Obama, I don't see Nixon as effective in "weaponizing" various segments of government!

 

Not really far superior ... you forgot that you have lost at this time once very fresh the Vietnam War and the US military was in a bad shape. Of course the US had multiple time more nuclear weapons, but China was / is also nuclear armed and able to hit every square inch of the USA with them as US was / is able to hit every square inch of China too.
The complete situation of this time was another one ... main enemy for the USA was the USSR and because communist USSR and communist China became opponents with an own sort of "cold war", Nixons policy was the old rule in diplomacy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ... means at least to make them more friendly now.

Of course, China is a "bad guy" in a lot of things ... even if the US and Trump is indicting China in many things for which US has not done otherwise or still does. Sure ... China is growing more and more to the equivalent super power and that threatens the global interests of the USA ... but there is a lot of hypocrisy in the US politics and US argumentation in the whole thing, too!

 

No, it wasn't!

 

They made it up with capital gains on stock options, so they never paid '90%' on anything, much less on income taxes. Capital gains wasn't included under 'income' in those days. You got a 50% deduction off the top, and the max rate was 25% on the rest, and that after all kinds of wonderful deductions. CEOs got free houses, free private planes, free credit cards, free golf club memberships, etc., etc., etc.; paying taxes on comps came along much later. Putting solid gold sinks in the company jet was a tax deductible expense for the companies in those days, as were all the freebies for execs.

 

Nixon handed black radicals and racists everything they wanted on a platter; he angered northern white racists by making all the restrictions on southern states apply to the rest of the country and made them permanent, including quota systems and education pork, the whole shebang, something no Liberal actually wanted to do, since it was a bad idea. See Patrick Moynihan's papers on why that was the case. In the process he destroyed black education levels and turned ghettos into violent lawless pockets of gangster controlled territories and run by machine pols. We see the results of that today, with the worst sort of thugs and dopers being made into 'Heroes' and black children being murdered by their peers for the crime of learning to read and write.

 

If it's hard to say then don't say it. There's never been any evidence Nixon had prior knowledge of the break in and everyone involved says he didn't.

 

"The ‘Great Switch’ is a Democrat narrative in which, once Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, all the members of Congress, in both houses, got up and traded places. All of the Democrats walked over to the Republican side, and all of the Republicans walked over to the Democrat side. The Democrats left their white robes and hoods in their old desks, which the Republicans then took ownership of.

The problem with this narrative is that of the 31 Dixiecrats in the House and Senate, or who were governors of states, only three of them changed parties. Furthermore, African Americans began voting predominantly Democrat in 1936, when FDR ran for re-election. This was while the KKK still marched into the DNC every four years, in full regalia. Also, the last Democrat to win the South was Jimmy Carter, in 1976. The South did not go Republican until 1980.

There was no ‘great switch’ in 1964, and saying that there was ignores the fact that the African American vote flipped almost thirty years too early, and that the South flipped sixteen years too late. The ‘great switch’ is a lie. "

"The Southern Strategy, as portrayed by Democrats, is a lie. The truth is that the South became radically less racist from the late 1950s into the early 1980s, and the Republican Party became more popular in the South as the South became less racist."


http://thedailylibertarian.com/the-myth-of-the-southern-strategy/

 

I’m saying it is hard to believe that Nixon didn’t know about it if his top people were involved in the break in.
Given his unwavering support for the plumbers and CREEP, it doesn’t make sense he didn’t know about it.
Still Nixon was not the murdering monster that LBJ was. “Hey hey LBJ how many boys did you kill today?”

 

The so called "plumbers" were actually the Special Investigations Unit. Their job defined and supported by Nixon was to find and plug leaks. They overstepped their boundaries with Watergate and Nixon's only error was the attempted cover-up. If he'd have just thrown these guys under the bus hed have served out his term. His transgression back then seems very mild compared to Clinton who did serve out his term but he was a Democrat so all was forgiven by the media and of course democrats.

 

Mostly true. Blacks began voting for FDR because of the jobs programs, and this became even more pronounced in the 1950's with the invention of a mechanical cotton picker that worked well enough to create a mass of un-employed black people, which in turn led to the Civil Rights Era. LBJ and Humphrey intended for those laws to be temporary, and they were limited to a few southern states. To claim Nixon was somehow pandering to the KKK vote is just a ridiculous narrative, invent in part to smear LBJ as well as Nixon; northeastern liberals were trying to build yet another mythology for themselves, similar to their 'we freed the slaves' bullshit, and it annoyed them no end that the leadership in Civil Rights came from a Texan and not one of their anointed Camelot Gods.

 

The first article of impeachment against Nixon was his extension of the Vietnam war into Cambodia.
I do agree that Nixon should have been open to a full investigation and the cover up was his undoing and opened up all the rest.
Hilary also attempted a cover up of her misdeeds and had she been elected would also have gone to cover up as a first thought.
Had he not tried cover up and running a secret government inside the White House, I think Nixon would go down in history as a good president.
Intriguingly Nixon is still thought of as a good president here in Europe.

 

Rubbish. It was Johnson's policies that led to the Viet Cong being crushed in 3 years, not the Kennedy's or the Republicans. The death toll in the entire Viet Nam war about equaled the death toll generated by drunk drivers in an average year in the U.S. by those 'libertarian' types who didn't let the Ebul Gubmint tell them what to do n stuff and thought driving around in huge road yachts drunk on their asses was a Constitutional Right and all 'Real Men' did it, no matter who or how many got killed and maimed. Commie invented chants aren't meaningful or truthful.It was those same policies that bankrupted the Soviet Union by 1973. Republicans wanted to hide under their beds and let the entire globe fall to Soviet and Red Chinese Imperialism; these days they've invented a new fake history for themselves as the 'Heroes' who won the Cold War, a Big Lie many young people seem to believe.

 

Interesting, I didn't know that.

 

Wow. Talk about revisionist history.

 

So you feel that Johnson had the NVA and Vietcong on the ropes in 1968?
The Tet offensive and the battle to secure even the American embassy speak otherwise.