'Play it down': Trump admits to concealing the true threat of coronavirus in new Woodward book

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  1. MJ Davies

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    This is an excellent example of why Whistleblower Laws do and should exist. I've posted it many times already but this is unconscionable.
     
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    Do you recall this (or did you see it)? Birx tells the press how the U.S. counts Covid deaths. That was before they allowed doctors to call Covid the "probable" cause of death without a post-mortem Covid test. Is it any wonder that many Americans are skeptical about the numbers being a bunch of garbage?

     
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    Many doctors do run hospitals. The ones that do not are most certainly influenced by the people who do. Additionally, many doctors and labs charge for their services on top of the hospital charges. If you don't think that they have a financial stake, then you are just ignorant.
    I'll leave this article here but you'll not read it and call it fake news instead of actually thinking about it. The death certificate isn't the issue. It's the code that doctors use prior to death. Since there is no code for "covid19", the hospitals use other codes.
     
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    If you aren't talking about the death certificates, then you aren't talking about the death count. And, again, doctors don't get to pocket this money. The vast majority of doctors that do run hospitals aren't the ones actually seeing patients and filling out death certificates, and even then most of them don't work for for-profit hospitals. Even those that do work for for-profit hospitals would only get to pocket the money through the process I've previously described. Spoiler alert: it isn't a very big incentive.
     
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    Not only is whataboutism not a valid rebuttal, but you do realize Trump is currently the president and Biden isn't? Unless you have evidence to suggest Xi had calls with Biden telling him the exact same information that he told Trump back in February, this is completely irrelevant.
     
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    Irrelevant
     
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    Really? I was following the CDC and my governor's advice far more than anything Trump said. I put together a homemade mask the day that the news was saying that CDC would probably advise the public to wear masks later that day. Trump left the majority of Covid messaging to Pence, Fauci and Birx and those were the people who were on top of things 24/7.

    Trump was sort of busy negotiating with PPE providers to ramp production, getting FDA/CDC to relax stringent rules so our private companies could mass produce tests. He was also negotiating trade deals with China, peace agreements between countries in the middle-east, trying to ensure that border wall was progressing, having daily meetings with countless other committees on all sorts of other topics and generally juggling all the balls a president is required to juggle.

    I too hope we get a better, less erratic candidate in 2024, but between Trump's policies and Biden's policies, Trump is still the Nationalist. A lot of people on the left aren't thrilled with Biden either, but they support the overall party goals/policies and hope for a better "face of the party" next time.
     
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    Here's a suggestion from our own @AmericanNationalist on how to be informative, without causing panic. IOW - A real leader.


     
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    A lot of coroners had to go back and adjust their numbers too. But stick to your narrative and don't listen to the other side.
     
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    And what would be their incentive for lying? Coroners don't get reimbursed for COVID. But stick to your narrative and keep running away from the actual, objective evidence. If you want to compete with the "other side" (aka science), then you are going to actually have to start talking about evidence. You clearly have no interest in doing so.
     
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    Policies still have to be executed and a huge factor to good execution is being trustworthy and reliable and this isn't how you go about doing those things.

    There were indeed many sources, but none more reaching than Trump. All he had to do was be honest with us.
     
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    A lot of what Trump says could have been "said better" by a polished career politician who has been groomed for decades on how to "say things better" to the public. A "real leader" reads scripts from a teleprompter. lol
     
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    Not sure what their incentive would be, I would be guessing. They did what they did.
     
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    No. A real leader can be honest without causing panic at the same time.

    Trump is like the Pigpen of chaos. It follows him wherever he goes.
     
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    You should check into it as well because there was human error and numbers have been changing. The statement is on their website for all to see.
     
  16. AmericanNationalist

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    For the record, not a polished career politician. Actually, though I still have dreams of it, I've actually taken huge steps forward for a career in Real estate. It's just as competitive without any of the hassles or huge costs.
     
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    One side says we are probably undercounting. That side provides evidence.
    The other side says we are overcounting. They refuse to traffic in evidence -- only anecdotes and conspiracy theories.

    Sorry, but no honest, informed person can believe we are overcounting overall.
     
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    Trump tended to talk for a couple minutes then step back and listen to Task Force members provide their expertise. As mentioned, I was personally listening to the task force more than Trump, because by early 2020 we knew Trump's personality.

    If you are going to be a purist and insist that a candidate be your perfect ideal communicator of basic party concepts at all levels, then you will surely be disappointed every single election cycle. Trust an old cynic like me on that one. ;)
     
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    Screwed!
     
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    Meh. Perhaps the mass media is the Pigpen of creating chaos, particularly the last four years.
     
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    I know that the basis of politics is corruption, but it's not even about purity. How hard would it have been to say: "This is a serious situation, but if we take the right steps we can beat the virus."

    It wasn't an invisible enemy, his greatest enemy was himself.
     
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    There is also the problem of the long-term effects on various body systems if an infected person does survive it. So, we have to consider the "total" costs involved.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...th/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
     
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    Senate can't do anything unless the House acts. This morning I watched Princess Pelosi's weekly update. A reporter asked if she was waiting until after the election to negotiate on more Covid relief. She blamed Republicans for being ready to sign off on 1Trillion immediately, and then start another round, which she will not agree to doing.

    Her hair looks very nice though.
     
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