From Britain, neighbor hating neighbor

A fascinating poll has been taken in Britain, about how people feel about each other in this stressful time of Covid.

Strong anti-social feeling and actions have been induced there.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500488-covid19-divide-masks-britain/

This can't be good.

 

Russian propaganda

 

I guess the Ruskies figured it worked on Trump supporters so they would try it in the UK.

 

Or the truth, considering it's a Brit talking about polls taken in Britain.

 

Nobody hardly wears a mask here in North Yorkshire and not many covid cases, probably beacuse 99% of people are white around here except when you get upto Middlesbrough or crappy Scarborough... Both places as Trump would put it "shitholes"....

I have to take 2 different immunosuppressants for arthritis (axial spondyloarthritis and psoriatic arthritis) and steroids... I was supposed to sheild from March... Didn't listen to the Gov's covid claptrap, been out everyday with no mask and not cought any fake flu...

 

I wonder if the immunosuppressant therapy allows for you to take vitamins c, d and zinc?

 

Yes I can, I always take vitamins... The immunosuppressants I take are Methotrexate tablets and Adalimumab (Amgevita) which is an injection...

 

How you take them, and who you interview.....

 

Yes of course, but what if the story as reported is true and accurate?

I am personally aware of the mask issue driving apart 2 people who grew up together and went to school together. Now the mask-wearing Karen shuns and scolds her former friend from childhood because he refuses to wear a mask outdoors.

The same dynamic is in play in Britain.

 

Here's the press release from the Demos think tank:
https://demos.co.uk/press-release/n...ed-by-covid-19-are-more-divisive-than-brexit/

Not exactly the British apocalypse now, but the Kremlin does what the Kremlin knows: virulent propaganda against democracies.

The British should all wear masks just to spite Putin.

 

When there's inner friction between people of a nation, it doesn't bode well for them. Poor Britania!

Here's an Orthodox Christian take on Britain: God has become so fed up with Britain, that He would allow its total destruction, if it wasn't for the prayers of it's 'crowned' women Saints.

Poor Britannia! It no more rules the waves.
They've fallen hard and have become
the PC's latest slaves - Jeannette



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Strange you would say the virulent propaganda comes from Russia, since it's not what I noticed. It's always been Western propaganda against Russia, and never the other way around. Britain seems to take the leadership in that respect.

So what you're saying is either projection or deception. Why would you want to deceive the American people?

 

So right

 

its just London, Auntie Beeb and the metropolitan elite who are all woke snowflakes... Up here in Yorkshire they would get a bloody nose if they spouted their PC crap at someone.. We hate the Southern Fairies here..

 

It's heartening to hear John Bull STILL lives in the land of my ancestors!

 

I loved 'Yes Prime Minister'. It is timeless. But aside from that, there is no reason for Russia to want to give an impression one way or another, other than how the masks are affecting the British people. I see the poll taken as a favor to the British government. But then again, projection is part of paranoia so can one expect differently?

 

Obviously the people who believe that wearing masks helps to stop the spread are not amused by people who do not wear them for many reasons including the possibility of another lockdown and I guess if people were going by the lockdown they will not be impressed by those who did not....but that is just how thinking goes. There is nothing unusual about it...except I guess that some people do not believe scientists any more and pretend there is no pandemic.

Where I live most people do not wear masks on the street but do when they enter shops as that is demanded by law. If they went into the shop without a mask I think they would be told where they could buy one (in the shop) but if they refused ask to leave. It really is not a big thing. It is just that people who want rid of covid so that they can get back to normal do not appreciate people who put that at risk.

Brexit is a much bigger issue with the Tories wanting a No Deal Brexit so that they can make a load of money out of turning the UK into another Singapore, something which will be horrendous for most people and a situation which almost certainly is seriously going to reduce the standard of living for all but the most rich who will make massess. The most tiring thing about that being that some of the people who would be harmed the most are supporting them having been deceived that they are telling the truth while every economist says it is down, down down for the ordinary Brit. Brexit is just the right of the elite, the Hedge Fund supporter's wanting to make a last killing out of Neo Liberalism.

 

If only we could wade about with the lefties heads on pitchforks, waving union jacks and wearing top hats and tails ...

 

Alexa

The article also made the comparison on emotions between Brexit and Covid. I've long been a student of human behavior, so this stuff fascinates me. I've seen it here with my own eyes, so am not surprised similar emotions aren't in play in Britain.

Like it or not, the masks are signs of being submissive, not unlike the face covering muslim women must wear. That is their only purpose, because their efficacy in stopping the spread of airborne particles the size of virus has NEVER been established. The mask is just a part of a much larger effort.

 

The same here except waving the stars and stripes while wearing coonskin caps and buckskins....ah, sweet dreams indeed!

 

I thought it was the elites that wanted to remain in the EU? Wouldn't they be the ones pushing for the elimination of sovereign states, and for a liberal one world government?

 

Yes, I only made the comparison between Brexit and Covid because the article does. Where the relationship between response to Covid and Brexit comes in is that those who voted for Brexit tend to be those who do not believe/agree with Covid. They tend even if living in the UK to be Trump supporters. I find that concerning. It looks to me like they have been subject to propaganda and/or that they are taking their position from what those they see as their allies think. It seems to be more about identifying with a group than coming to a personal decision. I am not saying that is your position. It also goes with the dividing of society - that especially true in the US.. I live in Scotland and we don't have this. I suppose it would be more to do with whether you wanted Independence or not here but that seems, I could be wrong, but it seems to be a personal decision rather than a desire to feel identified with a group.

Not for me they are not. I was wanting them when the Government was saying they were useless. On that it is a question of what do you support, each person's right to do what they want or everyone's need to act to save the whole. Mask wearing only works if around 90% of people wear them but they were initially shown to be highly effective by the countries who used them managing to get on top of the disease. If people did not spread the illness unless they themselves were showing symptoms then it would be understandable that it was not necessary for everyone to wear them. However that is not the case. Our numbers appear to be skyrocketing with children going back to school. I know you believe those who are vulnerable should just stay indoors until herd immunity.

Muslim women wearing masks is highly questionable as to how submissive it is for women in the West. Prior to 9/11 the only time I had seen Muslim women in the UK wearing the Nijab was if they were a visitor from another country. Most did not even bother wearing scarfs on their heads most of the time. Unfortunately 9/11 opened the door to the racism against people who came from countries like Pakistan. There was getting near 300 attacks on 'Pakis' and Muslims and their properties in the two weeks following 9/11. They responded by getting together and being far more 'Muslim' in what they wore rather than hiding. While it may not be a choice for some women, it is a protest, or the ability to go out when you haven't washed your hair - and I did hear one woman saying that, for most women in most Western countries.

I think most masks give some degree of protection but those which pop around your ears and are only made of one layer of material appear not to. I have seen experiments done which show masks do offer protection, not as good as if the Government supplied everyone with medical grade N95 or surgical masks, but definately some protection. Those which go round the ear tend to leave room for air to get through so depending on the direction of the air I find questionable. One of the tests I saw done was asking people to blow out a candle. Those wearing masks of at least three layers were unable to blow it our - that might have been two layers although I think three layers are neeeded - and that is my personal feeling. They then tested it with people with only one layer and they had no problem blowing it out. I do not consider a one layer mask in any way protection. I think our Governments let us down there and believe we should all be receiving free top quality masks.

 

It is a war between the elites. Between those who support the Bankers and those who support the Hedge Funds. For the people it offers only a serious loss of standard of living and that is especially true if it is a No Deal Brexit which it looks like Boris who during the election was promising a deal is now going for. That also gives the Hedge Funders more money.

 

I think anybody that wants to wear a mask should be able to wear one. It is a personal choice.

I am personally aware of 2 different women who became infected while wearing masks, so I have a bias. I am also aware of tests conducted over many years, since 1946 here in the US, regarding the efficacy of masks with the influenza virus. The consensus of all those tests is that the efficacy against airborne virus cannot be proved, cannot be demonstrated.

Tyranny over masks is still tyranny. The Swedes set the good example--wear a mask if you want to, but the law will not be brought to mandate the wearing by all.

Yes, it does provide some measure of "feel good", some measure of a sense of security, but except in certain hypothetical scenarios they are useless, and in other scenarios, they are blockage of your body's effort to expel exhaust gas and particulate matter, including virus, from the lungs.

 

However the personal choice of people not to wear a mask interfers with the personal choice of people to wear masks to stop it spreading. In this case those who are demanding their right to not wear a mask are also demanding their right to be the the cause of other people's deaths. Clearly that is a very grave thing and why certainly in the UK people insisting on their right not to wear masks find themselves either not able to get on Public Transport and go to do their shops or arrested. If people feel it is worth that just so that they can say '**** you' then that is their choice.

masks are not one hundred percent protection but they do, given they are decent quality give a fair degree of protection.

The EU recognises that it has been proven that medical grade N95 and FF2 give 95% protection against viruses and FF3 98%. Obviously also that requires that people know how to wear them.

Another thing they did in the tests I saw was get people to cough and sneeze while wearing them. Those wearing 3 layers, and possibly 2 still had a dry outside which illustrated that they stopped the virus getting out. That does show that they provide protection from allowing it to become airbourne - another thing which the West took a long time to acknowledge but which was known to have happened very early on in I think Hong Kong. A one layer face covering however will not do this and I do not understand why the Government doe not say it - possibly because that would demand they gave those with little money free ones.

This has been discusssed and discussed and discussed and I did not come on this thread to discuss it again. In order for masks to make a difference it is estimated that 90% of people must wear them. It has been obvious from the beginning that wearing masks provides protection but the US and UK Governments did not want to admit this as they did not have the masks they needed and even now are making people themselves buy the best they can. For those without money that means taking the cheapest they can get.

Your belief that it is fine for people to want to to wear maks and those who do not want to to not is flawed given that if people do not wear masks they will be spreading the virus. Surgical masks stop people from giving it to others but do not stop others giving it to them. That is being dealt with in most places by fines and I really do not want to debate that again.

I am sorry Eleuthera but saying people being demanded to wear masks when gathering in enclosed spaces or where they are unable to do sufficient distancing is tyranny is not. It is stopping people spreading virus. I will say though that I am aware that this could be used to oppress. I simply do not see any sign this is the reason at the moment. (Trying to decide whether to download the Scottish device which will allow them to tell me if I have been in contact with the virus )

Sweden had far more deaths than other countries in the region. This is a new virus. People were unable to know how it would work out. Had the West began as soon as they knew what was happening with masks, there is a good chance that none of us would have had to have a lock down. I have heard people arguing that Sweden only got the same situation as other countries which went into lockdown and argue that the fact that they had a high curve like everyone else suggests that many people already have immunity to it. Tests done on people found that although people with a previous Sars virus were immune, so were people who had never been near a Sars virus before. This gave rise to questioning whether some people are immune due to some other way - a particular cold virus was suggested but the reality is that still there is so much we do not know.

We know now that people only have antibodies for ten weeks which makes a vaccine somewhat questionable. However where the other people had their immunity was in TCells and a vaccine which can reach that and cause immunity there might do the job. We also know that about a third of the people who have had the virus have on going problems and this can be people who had it very mild. This ranges from fatigue, headaches, joint pain to serious heart and lung problems. It is looking like this could be life long so it is not just a case of letting all the oldies and those with co-morbidities die if they do not stay in isolation until a workable vaccine is found, it is also a concern that this may be causing about one third of those who have been infected life long ill health. We also know that the virus changes. It has been said Europe got a worse virus that China and those close to them. We do not yet know whether this will degrade into a far worse virus.

It isn't due to a 'feel good'. Masks do give protection and the better the mask the better the protection. The people who refuse to wear them are the people who pass it on and cause others to suffer. As I said I had no intention on getting into another 'do masks work or not' or other coronavirus arguments. They have been overdone. I will not answer anything more on this.