We are about to see a check on honor and integrity.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Sep 19, 2020.

  1. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    You've made some reasonable points in this thread, but wow, that speaks of absolute delusion. Trump attempts to create reality in his own image, and when that fails he just pretends otherwise.
     
  2. struth

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    a big point there is point three...and what the case was when Chucky reaffirmed the rule in 2007.

    both parties have the oval and senate now where they didn’t when the dems created the rule
     
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    Consistency in politics? Politics is all about inconsistency.
     
  4. Lesh

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    There never was a "Biden Rule" which makes it so much easier to ignore when no longer needed to justify the unjustifiable
     
  5. Lesh

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    Particularly GOP politics
     
  6. struth

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    sure there was, it’s well documented...he created it in 92 and in 2007 Chucky S, reaffirmed it

    furthermore it’s long standing tradition for the senate (if of the opposite party then the oval) not to confirm the president’s pick in an election year. 8 out of 10 times it hasn’t happened
     
  7. Lesh

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    What was the vote on that rule?

    Oh there was no vote? There was no rule?

    Yea...that's what I thought. Go away
     
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    no vote was need the committee chair sets the rules on when votes take place

    sorry you are unfamiliar with senate rules
     
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    LOL! Pot meet kettle. Pretending any of these politicians have "scruples" is a joke.
     
  10. Lesh

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    NO vote. No rule

    Stop "making things up"

    If there was a rule then there must have been a rule following it to end it. There was NOT that.
     
  11. Lesh

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    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/about/rules

    Show us where it says that Committee Chairs can make up their own rules with no vote required.

    Oh it's not there?

    You're L....er....making **** up?

    Oh...
     
  12. Lesh

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    That's been a favorite Republican tactic for at least three decades. When it becomes achingly apparent how corrupt and dishonest the GOP is...they fall back on "Well they ALL do it"

    And Republican voters fall for it every time
     
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    sure there was a rule to end it, the McConnell Rule it was announced in 2019 to end the rule...as the dems requested in 2016
     
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    II. (1)....hearings...the Committee has to ammounce when they have hearings...they aren’t required to have them, and if the Chair says there isn’t one there isn’t one
     
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    What are you TALKING about?

    On the one hand you talk about hearings and then you claim that rules can be enacted without a hearing and without a vote.

    Just stop.

    You're making bullshit claims...and doing so apparently intentionally

    There was never a Biden Rule.
     
  16. struth

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    if there is no hearing, which is controlled by the chair there is no vote. Biden needed no hearing to make his rule and chucky didn’t need one to reaffirm it since they control when there hearings. They set the rules

    i am sorry you don’t understand the process and are having a hard time keeping up. But if you are going to obviously ignore the video proof there was such a rule and it was reaffirmed by chucky years later then i can’t help you.

    this is all silly though, in both 92 and 07 the dems had the senate, moreover the dems had changed the rules and went nuclear yet...so if the president would of had the chance he didn’t have the votes. Just like in 2016, and unlike today.
     
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    If there is no hearing and no vote...there is no rule

    Sorry that YOU don't understand the process...but I think you actually do and say this garbage anyway.

    There's an L word I am not allowed to use here that applies

    Also a T word. Those T's live under bridges...or weak arguments
     
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    Honor and integrity is loooong gone from Capitol Hill - replaced by horror and shame.
     
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    Sure there is....Biden made it clear he would not have a hearing, Chucky reaffirmed it...that was the rule

    You gave a link to the Standing Rules...and nowhere does it say that the Chairman can't do that or a vote is required to make the rule. Moreover you are citing the current rules, not even the Rules from 92 or 07

    Moreover, as stated earlier, the Biden Rule was merely stating the obvious and what the precedent was already...if the parties are opposite in the Oval and Senate, 80 percent of the time, the President pick won't get confirmed in an election year The difference is today they are the same, and frankly there is little the Dems can do since they went Nuclear on Judicial picks
     
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    Pure nonsense.

    Cite a rule having been made with no hearing and no vote.

    It doesn't exist. You know you're wrong and still you tr...er...continue to make intentionally incorrect statements
     
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    I have....the Biden Rule. ...the one reaffirmed in 2007 by Chuck S.
     
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    That my friends...is a circular argument
     
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    I have cited the rule, and used your link to the Standing Rules, that highlights how it works.

    I am sorry you don't grasp it....
     
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    No research tools? Or perhaps just selectively ignoring some things?

    Ending our involvement in wars we actually shouldn't be in is an objective stated repeatedly. We're been in Afghanistan for 19 years. The Russian decided it was useless after 10 and left. Disconnecting ourselves isn't easy because of all the people who will define it as having other meanings- such as no longer supporting allies in the middle east, as if that were related. Previous presidents have been reluctant to tell other nations to fight their own wars, and used our involvement and lives as a bargaining chip. Trump is the first president in many decades to take the view that we shouldn't fight other people's wars for them.

    Withdrawal from Afghanistan includes another 4,000 to leave by the election, down from a high of around 18,000. Troops in Iraq have been cut in half, and will continue to be reduced.

    Feb 29, 2020 BBC News
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51689443
    Afghan conflict: US and Taliban sign deal to end 18-year war

     
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    I've yet to know a conservative that thinks Trump is perfect, so note that- but imperfection is not disqualification, because we have none of those. Can't see where you think creating anything in his image is coming from, but he is trying to help move the nation toward the vision of restoring it's pride, it's self-sufficiency, it's economic strength- all the things that are part of the MAGA slogan. Note for example the amazing stability and low price of gasoline since we have become energy independent, which is a Trump achievement. That is what Trump is working for- but it's also something we have been familiar with in the past, as the greatest nation in history... we didn't get there by accepting failure. However, we are now seeing failure in those who have lost their vision of the future, such as in California and several other places run by democratic liberal politics. Problem is, they don't hold themselves accountable for the results of their own choices, and learn- they just it again, expecting different results. That's not the result of destiny, but of lack of vision and stupid management mistakes.

    We do have a lot of people that seem deeply opposed to America being a great country, and disparage the idea that we can and will restore it. Is that what you think is right? Accept mediocrity, even poverty?
    People are to a great extent, what they think . If you cannot see your own potential, you can't work for it- then you won't have it. Many generations of Americans have been working for and improving our future, and done a pretty good job- until the idea came along from liberals that it was owed to us and we shouldn't have to work for it nor be responsible for ourselves became popular.
    Trump's vision is revitalizing the concept that it is within our power to remain a great nation. How and if you use your life to be part of that, is your choice- not his.

    I'm 100% on board with that I believe people are the ultimate resource, the bricks that build the nation, with honest and ethical relationships being the mortar that bonds us together. However, not all people are
    bricks; many are like the blocks of clay mud a brick is made from before it's fired and strengthened- so they squirm and conform to the path of least resistance. Such people cannot make sound relationships either; they lack the character and are insecure and irresponsible, they put all their energy into blaming and manipulating others to make their way. This is the distinction between the mature and responsible who can build greatness, and the immature and irresponsible who live by feeding off the greatness of others.

    The greatest delusions of our time are being produced daily by the democrats; pouring out like and endless waterfall, and all of them attempts to make delusions into reality. Seems you didn't notice that.
    Many years ago, President John F Kennedy said "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country". JFK was a democrat, but not a single democrat in Washington today wants you to believe what he said. I still do. Conservatives as a lot do too. If people can't believe in themselves and their future- neither they nor their nation will ever know self-respect, never have the real treasures of life... and never know greatness.
     
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