The sole goal of the DNC for the future should be........

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    exploring ways to return the country to realizing one of the basic principles on which it was founded, majority rule.

    That concept has been perverted by the disproportionate representation of people in rural, low population states in the Senate, and by the EC.

    No other democracy in the world has a contrived system where the leader of the country can be elected by a significant minority. We shouldn't either.

    Nor should we have a legislative body allowing for equal representation for the roughly 600K people living in WY and the roughly 40M people living in CA.

    Large majorities favor Roe not being overturned, stricter gun control laws, a path to citizenship for qualified immigrants, and more aggressive measures to be taken by government to combat climate change. Yet Roe is in jeopardy and current policies on the other three issues favor minority views.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Your premise is false. It is stupid to assert this as the founders specifically built a system to ensure that the tyranny of the mob wouldn't ever be able to assert itself. You lose. Again.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What?? It was never founded on "majority rule". It was set up to avoid that.
     
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    Funny how these guys bend over backward to cater to the minority unless the minority are rural white Americans. The hypocrisy is endless with these people.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, abolish the EC so that the will of the majority can prevail. That only seems like an abhorrent idea to you because it will permanently relegate Repubs to minority status, which reflects the politics of the nation. The remedy for which is moving back to the political center from the far right. It is untruthful to suggest Dem's goal is to "trash" the 2nd Amendment.......but I do understand the false allegation works well with Trumpette's and thus why you repeat it.

    Had the majority been successful in electing the prez for the last 6 of 7 elections only one Repub would have won and the court would look very different. That is to say, it would reflect the views of the majority. What's wrong with that?
     
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    LOL... There you go again with the "I didn't get my way so I'm going to burn it down" approach to governance. And you still think having an angry mob is the answer. Got it.
     
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    I would like for the sole goal to be to return to civil politics between the parties. People on either side can disagree with one another, but this 'bitter enemy' perspective (from both sides) has done serious damage to the country.
     
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    Half of Cali's graduates are technically illiterate. Sorry but that is not the mob I want swinging elections
     
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    Better the tyranny of the minority, yes?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But 50 years ago, moving on from the Electoral College had bipartisan support. In May 1968, 66 percent of American approved of the idea of amending the constitution to replace the Electoral College with a popular vote system, according to Gallup. And there was no partisan divide: 66 percent of Republicans and 64 percent of Democrats approved.
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...e-used-to-be-bipartisan-position-not-anymore/

    Now that it has become clear demographic trends favor the Dems in future (and past) elections I understand why Repubs want to hold on to an anti-democratic system that includes the EC. But it is still anti-democratic.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And that little state supplies and maintain a great deal of irrigation water to all farm lands all the way to the west coast.. It also produces and maintains a great deal of hydro and coal electricity long side the water.. We could easily give that much needed water to Arron Millions to expand Colorado's front range and make a fortune ;) And electricity is always in great demand..

    In short, little low pop states contribute far more then you all give them credit for ;)
     
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    Isn't it amazing how liberal's ideology changes from one topic to another. The Majority of Americans voted to keep the defination of Marriage as one man and one woman. The liberals called it Tyranny of the Majority. But now you are preaching in favor of majority rule in political representation. In your stated opinion, the 600K in Wyoming does not count if they do not agree with the majority of the 40 million in California.

    Here is a better, more equal, idea. Get rid of the legislature as we know it. Have the DNC and GOP committees in each state appoint one representative to the Congress, and have then vote simply which laws are presented to the public for vote each year. No wait. That would mean equal representation again. I know we can have the Governors write the laws, and then have the general public vote on them. That way, real majority rule applies. While we are at it, let's get rid of the SCOTUS too. Let's not worry whether the law is Constitutional or not. While we are at it, let's just get rid of the Constitution too. It won't be needed anymore. That would get rid of that pesky electoral college. Then we would have total Majority rule. Anything less is total would be short of what you claim is necessary.
     
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    Your reply in no way addresses WY's disproportionate senatorial representation.

    BTW, as a resident of the front range in CO I can tell you your theory is baloney.
     
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    Based on polling in 2019, a majority of Americans (61%) support same-sex marriage, while 31% oppose it.
    https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/
     
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    Sure it does, that little state contributes vital water and energy to several states at a very low cost.. They deserve just as great a say as any other state in this union! IF, IF a President wants to be a President of a nation then let him win the EC and not four bloated states!
     
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    You said this:

    Then you said this:

    Hell, you can't seem to avoid contradicting yourself. First you say that the founders wanted a majority rule then when called out on that absurd claim you revert to support amending the Constitution to sue the popular vote int he 1960s. The Constitution was written way before 1960. They wrote the Constitution for a Republic rather than a Democracy. At least get your story straight before you prove to the world that you don't know the difference between a Democracy and a Republic are. We are a Constitutional Republic with Democratic presidential elections decided by the electoral college.

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    Methinks the democrats are getting VERY VERY NERVOUS about the upcoming election. How do I know this? Because they are already looking for ways to invalidate the results.

    Face it democrats - your goose is cooked and you are the ones who basted yourselves and jumped in the oven.
     
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    You seriously don't get it, do you. There isn't Tyranny in a Republic. There are direct representatives, HR, there are Longer Term voices, the Senate, and then there are Executives, (Federally not elected by the people but the states) and the judiciary, (not elected by the people but representative of the elected voices) I get you don' like that process because for some reason you believe that a majority should be able to erode the rights of the people, and until you get a structure that allows that you'll continue to whine about it. Totally get that. But what you should be thankful for is that if, somehow, gasp, you aren't part of a majority, that folks you really don't like would come after things you enjoy. The idea that activism in the courts could overcome your inability, for example, to create a legislative majority, or elect an executive, for example. Those are things that because you don't have a super majority to change them, the rest of us are protected from your willingness to erode protections I enjoy. It's an awesome system that doesn't need the artifact or interference of others, especially those who would see this country transformed into Maoist China. No thanks.
     
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    That would mean the only views that would matter are the views of those who live in big cities. Everbody else's way of life and desires would be totally ignored. I don't know if you have noticed, but the way people live in Montana are a lot different than those who live in Los Angeles. The EC is a stroke of genius to ensure that both highly populated states and sparsely populated states would have a voice, and not just be trampled by places like California and New York.
     
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    If you'd like to make the case the founders intended for the country to be ruled by the minority the floor is yours.
     
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    Quite the opposite. Under the current status it is the minority eroding the will of the majority. If you can see that you're blind.
     
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    It's not. It is balanced. Highly populated states have more in the house and everyone has the same number of senators. Seems pretty damn fair to me. We are not and never have been a democracy. We are a republic. Thank god. I don't want to live under mob rule.
     
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    It's the minority having a voice where they would otherwise be trampled. As it should be. We don't have tyranny of the mob here.
     
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