Don’t weep for Sweden; it is now one of least infected countries

LOL. Mass graves in Brazilian cities with IT companies, auto manufacturing etc. are filled with peasants from the country. Good one. I already addressed India.

 

You're completely wrong!
You've addressed nothing.
We have abandoned the poor': slums suffer as Covid-19 exposes India's social divide
https://www.theguardian.com/global-...ffer-as-covid-19-exposes-indias-social-divide

Brazil's poor suffer the most under COVID-1
https://reliefweb.int/report/brazil/qa-brazils-poor-suffer-most-under-covid-19


AIR CONDITIONING:
Japan 91% of homes. US 90% of homes, Korea 86% of homes, Brazil 16% of homes, India 5% of homes,
https://www.statista.com/statistics/911064/worldwide-air-conditioning-penetration-rate-country/

Deaths per million: Japan: 12. US:618, Korea:8, Brazil: 646, India: 65

Oh look, Japan and Korea have extremely low death rates but have high AC usage.

Your claim that A/C use is the reason why deaths are high has been blown apart. The claim that "the virus will disappear in the summer" should have died off with the dinosaurs

 

Sweden is a country with only one large city, so they are naturally distanced. So if you want to compare, compare to a similar country.
Likewise to get an idea of what the US would look like using such an idea, look at Brazil where they don't have the ability to track the virus.

 

I’m not wrong. You citing places without climate control does not address the fact it exacerbates transmission rates where it does exist. You are smart enough to understand that.

Your links both support my position as they cite poor ventilation as causing high rates of infection even without climate control. Are you operating under the assumption reduced temperature is the only negative consequence of AC? If so I apologize for not providing more education on the subject up front. I thought my posts on systems approach would have made that clear. Poor ventilation combined with lower temperatures is part of the system that overrides natural effects of warmer weather on the virus. If the cramped quarters of slums were air conditioned transmission rates would be worse as ventilation would be worse and virus would remain viable longer. Also, inhabitants would likely spend even more time in the cramped spaces because they would be more comfortable. The fact transmission can occur without AC in no way shows AC use isn’t detrimental to controlling this virus.

We are back to systems approach that you nor the leaders and healthcare providers of many countries understand. Japan and Korea do, and used a systematic approach pretty effectively.

Of course it hasn’t been blown apart. You just changed the subject. In places AC is in use, transmission rates are higher than if people went outside during the day and used fans to move air through houses when home at night.

That claim should have never been made. It’s ridiculous.

 

Shouldn’t we compare Sweden to something of similar size see like the state of Ohio?

 

Compare it to its neighbors. Of course then it fairs really badly

 

They fared worse than Ohio which is about the same size as Sweden in population and GDP.

 

Well, not really. Florida is a good example of how untrue that is. Also, Australia had the peak of the first wave in late Summer .. and it's hotter in Australia than in South East Asia.

 

Every single instance of full shut downs has resulted in dramatically reduced spread. That's CAUSATION. There is no human virus which doesn't respond to quarantine/isolation protocols.

None yet have found a way to spread via radio waves.

 

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Here's a confounder for you. Less than 50% of Australian homes have air conditioning. Australia is hotter than just about everywhere in your Southern States.

 

I have no idea what the relative humidity is in Australia. I assume it varies from very low to quite high? Does the prevalence of AC correlate with humidity levels?

I’m not surprised there is less AC though compared to the US. We are pretty spoiled. Well, not me personally. I’ve never had AC in my home in my life.

Where my brother lives in Hawaii it’s quite toasty part of the year and AC is rare like you say it is in Australia. Open, well ventilated construction. I’m certain that lifestyle results in lower infection rates.

 

One thing we agree on, being indoors is the killer. One of the reasons the numbers are so low in some Asian countries is that people spend a lot more time outdoors. Even in densely populated places like Tokyo and Bangkok, people are outside walking every day .. usually multiple times a day. People walk a LOT more than Americans do. When a Japanese person needs to travel 2 or 3 kms across town, they'll walk rather than take public transportation. It's one of the benefits of sensibly (IOW, small) sized homes .. it forces you outside more.

As regards humidity, half of Australia is humid (the northern half), and half moderate to dry. And no, Australians aren't as spoiled as Americans. Many of us live without air conditioning even though we can afford it. And many of us without AC use only wood burners for winter heating - even in our colder zones. No 'artificial' climate control at all.

 

Good point about small homes forcing you outside more. I didn’t realize walking was that big a deal in Japan. I doubt some Americans walk 3km a week. LOL.

Of course the northern half is humid. Everything is backwards down there. LOL

Having lived in both very arid low humidity areas and moderate to high humidity areas I certainly prefer dry heat. Even if it’s 25F higher temp and dry.

As far as wood heat the only times I’ve had anything but was a few years in dorms and apartments at school. Hated it. No way to get warm when coming in out of the cold. Cutting wood keeps one outdoors away from the rona as well.

Back to rona, it really isn’t surprising the US is having problems. From being fat to sitting around indoors without ventilation we pretty much check every box that leads to infection and comorbidity. Who would have though our lifestyle choices would have consequences, eh?

 

Thanks for sharing.

 

Yes, I've heard Americans aren't fond of walking. It's odd, in a country which doesn't have very good public transport infrastructure. Or maybe that's why? After all if you're taking a bus/train, you first have to walk to your stop/station - then walk again at the other end to get to your actual destination.

Agree .. wood fires are vastly superior at doing the job of warming. Nothing else comes close. And yeah, they sure keep you outdoors and fit! Even if you buy in ready split firewood, you still have to stack it and manage it.

 

I found this:

Source:
https://www.verywellfit.com/whats-typical-for-average-daily-steps-3435736

United States is pretty bad but I was wrong about the 3km a week claim. We are racking up a whopping 4 km/day!

 

I was under the impression that Australias electricity/cooling costs were much higher than in the u.s. which would be a huge motivator

 

You clearly do not understand the difference between correlation and causation. It is a common error in logic.

 

At last Novara Media are bringing some information on what the situation is regarding Sweden and 'herd immunity'.

22.22 mins talking about Covid UK and the new restrictions
28.20 for Sweden.