"Get rid of the ballots..........."

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  1. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    The jury would find it a very entertaining, albeit rather unconvincing, bit of bullshit.
     
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    Your fuhrer has publicly declared that he intends to insure that votes DON’T get counted.

    Voting away democracy is what Trump supporters are poised to do. Their fuhrer removed any doubt about that the other day. Freedom won’t be far behind.
     
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  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In her brilliant work "Autocracy: Rules for Survival," Masha Gessen writes.....................Rule #1 Believe the autocrat, he means what he says.

    When Trump says "get rid of the ballots" he means exactly that.
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump Blows Up At GOP Guv For Rebuking POTUS’ ‘Outrageous’ Potential Refusal To Leave Office

    President Donald Trump attacked Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) on Friday morning after the Republican governor chided Trump’s comments about potentially rejecting the election results if Democratic candidate Joe Biden wins in November.

    “[Republican In Name Only] Governor Charlie Baker of Massachusetts is unsuccessfully trying to defend Mail In Ballots, when there is fraud being found all over the place,” Trump tweeted, peddling for the umpteenth time the false claim about mail-in voting, which has been debunked by the President’s own FBI Director Christopher Wray.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...-outrageous-potential-refusal-to-leave-office
     
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    You and I know this goes on and it is seldom if ever caught much less prosecuted.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable. Back in the 1930s, The New York Times assured its readers that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was all posture. More recently, the same newspaper made a telling choice between two statements made by Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov following a police crackdown on protesters in Moscow: “The police acted mildly—I would have liked them to act more harshly” rather than those protesters’ “liver should have been spread all over the pavement.” Perhaps the journalists could not believe their ears. But they should—both in the Russian case, and in the American one.
    https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival/

    Like when Putin's admirer suggested the police should not be so nice to people under arrest.
     
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    More specious nonsense and having to resort to the Nazi's only shows you have nothing upon which to stand.
     
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  8. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Rule #3: Institutions will not save you. It took Putin a year to take over the Russian media and four years to dismantle its electoral system; the judiciary collapsed unnoticed. The capture of institutions in Turkey has been carried out even faster, by a man once celebrated as the democrat to lead Turkey into the EU. Poland has in less than a year undone half of a quarter century’s accomplishments in building a constitutional democracy.

    Of course, the United States has much stronger institutions than Germany did in the 1930s, or Russia does today. Both Clinton and Obama in their speeches stressed the importance and strength of these institutions. The problem, however, is that many of these institutions are enshrined in political culture rather than in law, and all of them—including the ones enshrined in law—depend on the good faith of all actors to fulfill their purpose and uphold the Constitution."

    Trump is the ultimate bad faith actor.
     
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    Actually Congress decides the election not the supreme Court. The supreme Court decided it in 2000 because both candidates were so close to the wind threshold on delegates that a few votes could have changed the election.

    under normal circumstances if neither candidate reaches the 270 delegates needed to win then the Senate votes on the winner and they can choose anyone who won over a certain percentage of the vote they don't even have to choose one of the main candidates they can choose anyone who got over a certain percentage of votes in the primaries. They can pick Bernie Sanders if they wanted to.
     
  10. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Litigation that may arise after the election, potentially having bearing on the outcome, could end up in the SC.
     
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    It is not a matter of either candidate reaching 270 electoral votes. It is questions on the process itself. What ballots should be counted and when the counting stops. Those are not the provinces of congress.
     
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    Good point. Trump is trying to pull the same **** Bush did in 2000, having a bunch of legal ballots thrown out for BS reasons.

    A number of gore votes were thrown out I 2000 because the person marked them with an ex when the instructions said to "check" the box. So they were thrown out for not using a check mark.
     
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    There were a number of reasons for votes being thrown out. The point, however, remains the same. The vote is much morelikely to be decided by the supreme court than by congress.
     
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    Marsha Gessen is amazing

    And oh yea... she watched Putin dismantle democracy in Russia in much the same manner that Trump is attempting
     
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    By the Supreme Court? Where is THAT in the Constitution?
     
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    They are the per us of the states
     
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    Because the parties brought it to the Court.

    The Court doesn't look for things...people bring things to the Court.

    Gore and the dems filed a lawsuit.

    They found the Dems were violating the equal protection rights of the citizens of FL, it was a 7-2 vote
     

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