How likely is a second wave?

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Good Afternoon Eleuthera,

    Your confidence in your belief is because people believe that Sweden got through it with no second wave. This isn't true.
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    That guy sounds like such a humanitarian. He beieves that having got rid of the 'susceptable population' all is well

    He has no evidence for this.

    His belief is not one shared by most UK scientists. What I have heard more than once is something like 3 or 5 million having had it or roughly 7% of the population. Do not know if they are the same but that is what I have heard.

    Even if it had killed off all the 'subseptable' population, which it hasn't, there is the other little matter of the fact that one third of people who are known to have had covid 19 develop on going problems which it is thought could well be life long. We know a lot more about this virus now. We know a lot more how to save lives but we do not have this thing beat yet. However there is what truth and justice pointed out, the fact that if everyone is wearing a mask then even if someone does become infected, they are going to get a low grade infection - which on one level is good but could still leave them vulnerable to the secondaries.


     
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    there is no second wave. Locking down only killed the economy, not the virus. The virus will make it through the population and we will become immune. This is still the "only wave"
     
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    The second wave is beginning as we speak
     
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    I believe we are still in the first wave. There was never really a lull. When numbers started dropping in the states hardest hit at first, the states that refused to do much mitigation started seeing their numbers rise, and that continues to this day.

    There may not even be a second wave. This virus did not subside during the summer months as anticipated. In order for there to be a 2nd wave, the 1st wave needs to end and it hasn't.
     
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    EXACTLY

    look at what lockdowns did; nothing. Some would claim that it gave hospitals some time to ramp up; OK.

    Once lockdowns were eased, the virus spread. It was not a 2nd wave but simply demonstrated that we know very little about covid 19 and our lockdowns and masking up are ineffective. The virus is a risk to those with comorbidities but to the rest of us, not at all

    the term 2nd wave is being used as the elections draw near because if Democrats win, the media will drop all coverage of covid
     
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    Nothing your ass.

    Yea it didn’t help the southern and midwestern states that didn’t take it seriously but the New England states that were getting hammered are now seeing dramatically lower infection and death rates
     
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    Well, you were right up to a point. There is no second wave until a first wave ends.

    Lockdowns absolutely worked, but they aren't something that we can employ long-term. They should only be used if or when things get extremely bad, or the medical infrastructure is at capacity. Masking up and distancing is absolutely effective, it's just that there is a large percentage of folks who don't do it. You cannot say that a method that isn't adhered to doesn't work when all the evidence shows it does....when adhered to.

    People with comorbidities are not second class citizens or cannon fodder. Nor is there any way of knowing just how many folks have them. With the wide ranging ways in which COVID-19 affects the body, it's hard to even pin down what comorbidities may put a person more at risk. Obesity is one known risk factor and current estimates seem to put the obesity rate at 40% or higher in this country. That's almost half the population. We are not a healthy nation.

    COVID-19 has nothing to do with the media, the president, or politics at all. The virus will not disappear after the election, nor will media coverage of it. It will still be a huge huge factor affecting hundreds of millions of Americans, just like it has been no matter what political party you support.
     
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    Salient points
     
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    This "immunity" remains a fantasy, COVID are nowhere near spread enough to show any validity to this idea, whether in the USA or Sweden or anywhere else.

    Its funny to have the same people who say tge only useful actilns have been to lockdowns, distancing and masks "simply demonstrated that we know very little about covid 19 and our lockdowns and masking up are ineffective", yet these same advocates claim that getting everyone sick with COVID is going to "make us safe", despite there being nothing demonstrating that being a likely outcome even if everyone gets it.

    It could be true, but so could Trump's tax returns coming too! Both of those "guaranteed promises" have been advanced by Trumpies, but I will believe it when I see it!
     
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    Technically speaking, because Trump was too incompetent to suppress the first wave, this isn't a second.

    It's just a continuation of the first.

    Lots of other countries are dealing with a second wave, not us.

    We now get to see what all that brain dead BS will cost us.
     
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    Well by golly if anybody would know Dave, it would be you. :smoking:
     
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    The problem is the people who refuse to take it serious, no masks, no hygiene precautions, no social distancing.
    Now we are in the fall and winter comes next, so people will be more inside and thats were the second big hit will come, especially with so many people not taking it seriously.
    But there is some good news, Australia and New Zealand have had the mildest flu season in a very, very long time.
    Masks, distancing and hygiene have an effect on the flu, too.
     
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    Yes we are learning.
    In Germany they started clinical trails with a cancer medication, which destroys the cancer cells ability to multiply. Labatory tests have show that this medication ( type ) works on c19, too.
    They are making progress
     
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    Then we need to start destroying the economy over seasonal flu. It is far more deadly than Covid on a per capita basis.
     
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    And what would the Covid death numbers be without the shut down?
    Hint: Trump had a big chart with the number on it.
     
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    I have no idea. Neither do you or Trump.
     
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    Oh, I thought you knew since you said flu was more dangerous. How did you come to that conclusion if you don't know?

     
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    Your comment wasn't about the flu. It was about the effects of not closing businesses. I answered that question. The answer was I don't know.
     
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    Maybe if you went back and read real slow.........
     
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    It wouldn't help.

    We have had over 200,000 dead from this thing already. NO flu besides the horrific Spanish Flu 100 years ago was anywhere near that deadly

    Not even HALF that deadly. Not even close
     
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    I thought the CDC amended their numbers some weeks back? I thought it was 94% of previously cited deaths were from comorbidities, and only 6% of deaths were actually FROM the virus.

    The many whistleblowers were right all along--the books have been cooked from the start.
     
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    Hard not to believe them.
     
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