Hundreds of members of black militia raise their guns while holding an armed rally in

You just decided that when the ADL referred to 'anti-government' it was referring to BLM & ANTIFA. Can you provide evidence from the ADL themsleves that this is what they were doing? They quoted a figure of 77% of 454 murders. Can you provide data from the ADL on how many of that 77% were from BLM or ANTIFA? Just how many people are the ykilling compared to right wing terrorists? Is this a fact based claim or is this just you deciding something based on what you want the answer to be?

The information shouldn't be hard to find - they publish this stuff pretty openly. You've made the claim, can you back it up?

 

No, you have that backwards. I'm claiming that they said "anti-government" and if you have to put BLM or ANTIFA in one of the buckets listed, that's the one they would fit into. They certainly wouldn't fit into whit supremacist nor anti-Semitic. They could fit into related ideologies I suppose. The point is that the buckets are vague so more information is required in order to make any kind of general statement. That's why I looked at actual violence over the last 20 years and tried to make more defined buckets. The biggest one I found was Islam. That's all I'm saying. I would love to see the actual DHS data. I couldn't find it though so I had to rely on Wiki which was the source that I provided (so no, I didn't just make something up). If you have a better source, let's see it.

 

Odd.
The #BLMob sees it at a reaction to systemic racism, manifested as the widespread and repeated murders of unarmed colored people by white police officers.
How did you get it so wrong?

 

Now do Rwanda and machetes.

 

The repeat violent offenders who commit over 70% of the violent crime in the country that Democrats won't put in jail.

 

The good ole false dichotomy....

Always like to role suicide numbers into those numbers which account for the great majority of gun deaths in this nation.

 

Both factors - economic and social (racial) - are at play.

But most people - including blacks - accept the ruling neoliberal monetarist, "invisible hand" free market system with its NAIRU dogma (which automatically most badly affects the most disadvantaged) , so they don't see the systemic economic causes of the economic and social disadvantage to which black people are subjected.

Maybe you understand now "how I got it so wrong"?...

 

The #BLMob those engaged in the riots - disagrees with you; if any one knows why they riot, it's them.
Thus, you're wrong.

 

It gets worse, about 655,000 people die from heart disease every year.

 

I already explained to you: neither you nor they understand the how our flawed economic system, currently accepted as normal, is responsible for the violence in the suburbs.

So let them suburbs burn, baby....

Or better yet, what about a civil war...the FBI just disarmed one group of right wing fools intent on that very goal, but I'm sure many others are itching for a war...

 

Wow. You understand peoples motives better than they do.
You must be special.

Here's the #BLMob's statement on why they exist, their motivations, and objectives. Be sure to e-mail and tell them how they are wrong,
Better yet - show up at one of their riots...er...protests... and tell them. Use a loudspeaker. Stand on a pedestal so the mob can see you.
https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

 

No, I understand that orthodox economic neoliberalism is a cause of systemic poverty, whether black or white.

And that systemic poverty has always led to violent revolutions eg the French, Russian and Chinese revolutions.

And now...is it mob violence in the streets of the US?

Note: since even Jerome Powell hasn't got the decency to admit these truths, and prefers the population to be subject to the lies of orthodox neoliberalism, reinforced hour after hour by the MSM (eg the Murdoch press) to maintain the privileges of vested interests, I don't expect you or BLM to understand what's going on.

So...let them suburbs burn, baby....

 

Mostly black males.

 

Chill out Frazier Crane. You sound like this guy...

 

I sound like that guy BECAUSE violence IS inherent in the 'dog eat dog' neoliberal system

 

All of which has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

You're trying to troll your way into an off-topic discussion where you tell us how the rich better pony up some $ or their assets will burn. Go somewhere else.

 

See below.

That IS the topic: hundreds of armed black militias raise their guns....what is their beef? Try to engage your brain to understand what is going on.

(But if you are more interested in using your own arsenal to fight back......that's what guns are for ... you are likely not interested in using your brain).

Axiom: The existence of systemic poverty, as evidenced in ghettos, indicates a failure of justice and a failure of a nation's economic system, given a world of plenty.

As for the rich, they don't concern me.

"Money doesn't grow on rich people" Stephanie Kelton.

Now admittedly the Dems - or at least those who propose to introduce "social justice" policies - ARE looking to take back some money from the rich (understandable because inequality is soaring to levels last seen in the 1920's), but I've told you before, sovereign currency-issuing government doesn't need to tax or borrow in order to spend. That's just Jerome Powell's evil orthodox system which is the direct cause of the failure of justice mentioned above.

But you want to play with your guns.....

 

I gave you the link to their website, which quite clearly explains "their beef".
Did you not understand it? I can translate it into crayon if you need me to - I have small kinds and am well-versed.

 

I admit I didn't read your link (I usually do, if I think I can learn something)...

Sure enough, I note this gem from their website:

"....By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives".

So they believe violence is combated and countered with violence.....

Sad; and meanwhile they don't understand the economic orthodoxy that is responsible for "the violence that has to be countered", namely, the violence of poverty and associated high incarceration rates.

{"You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison.....}

So they expect violence may bring about some desired changes for them ...apart from those who pay "the ultimate sacrifice" along the way, of course....

 

You're trying to troll your way into an off-topic discussion where you tell us how the rich better pony up some $ or their assets will burn. Go somewhere else.

 

Actually it's the currency-issuing government that has the capacity to "pony up some $"; failing that (given Powell's evil economic orthodoxy) the assets of the rich WILL burn (even if only in the cost of maintaining the highest incarceration rates in the world).

 

Good of you to admit you're trolling for an off-topic conversation.
Go somewhere else.

 

But not compared

What democrats are against jailing repeat violent offenders? What are you even talking about?

 

Yes, let's pretend that Democrats aren't for defunding the police and not putting violent criminals back on the streets.

It doesn't poll well, after all.

 

And let's pretend the Repubs have a plan for dealing with violence in the ghettos, other than sending in the police to maintain "law and order", which is just as likely to result in more violence - as is stated in the BLM manifesto, namely "countering violence with violence".

Meanwhile:

"You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison..." DJ Trump, 2016.

But of course Trump, who really only believes in the survival of the fittest, didn't say HOW he would eradicate the ghettos.