Difference between R's and D's

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  1. Le Chef

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    Interesting generalization in a politico article:

    This highlights an important psychological difference between the parties. The conservative mind typically has a natural deference to authority, making Republicans more likely to respond positively to the notion of a president laying down the law and punishing dissenters. The liberal mind typically has a natural skepticism toward authority, and a natural sympathy to the grievances and demands of its own special-interest constituencies, especially when these are groups that historically have faced prejudice. This is generalizing, of course. But the generalities have enough validity that it is virtually impossible to imagine a Democratic president bullying his party the way Trump has bullied Republicans. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/17/joe-biden-wears-a-kick-me-sign-447964

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    While all generalizations tend to fall apart when applied to individuals, I was truly sickened to see the way Rand Paul and Ted Cruz fell
    into line behind Trump. Like they had their backbones removed.

    Can't see that Bernie Sanders is going to suddenly become a sycophant like that.
     
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    So liberals are really conservative? I mean who is laying down like whipped dogs when the authorities tell them to wear masks and lockdown their businesses? Who are the people crying for more censorship when authorities are questioned? I have seen the Democrats sell out every decent principle they once had. It is evident that they want and demand an authoritarian government that can force their beliefs on the rest of the population at the point of a gun. Time for a divorce.
     
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    To me this has always been a glaring difference, which makes it funny when conservatives accuse liberals of being authoritarians.

    The other day a poster was complaining that liberal’s children were like free range farm animals, apparently unaware that the opposite is a caged or fenced in animal.
     
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    Biden won’t bully anyone. He’ll be bullied and manipulated by the loudest virtue signaling voices because he’s too old to have a spine. He’s already lived his life and reached the pinnacle. Now we just get to watch how long it takes for him to be removed and the worst candidate in the primaries and one of the most extreme leftists to be put in place.
     
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    Well, I think he is referring to a personality type of voters that are drawn to one or another tendency, i.e., liberal or conservative.

    There is an interesting difference to note in the affection that Democrat (voters/supporters, I mean) had for, say, JFK, Clinton, and Obama, and that demonstrated by Republican supporters of, say, Nixon, Reagan, and Trump. I really don't know how to define it, but those Democratic presidents were all considered "cool."

    I preferred the three Republicans I name above, but would never call any of them "cool." How horrible.
     
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    Not mentioned in the article but something that is well known in scientific circles is that liberals have smaller amygdala than do conservatives. The result is that liberals tend to be less fearful and significantly more empathetic. That is, conservatives are more scared and liberals care more. It is actually kind of funny, in an ironic kind of way. How conservatives will go on and on about how Democrats are so brainwashed, such sellouts, gullible and all the rest. Yet when one looks at the makeup of the Democratic Party one sees a great deal of diversity. When we see groups of Republicans, we see a sea of sameness. In all their talk of individualism, they seem to always be on the same page, wearing the same get ups.
     
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    But in spite of that, testing shows republicans better at recalling current events.
     
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    That's cute how you think voters/votes matter.

    Were considered cool by who?

    If you enjoy your freedom of speech, thank me. I was once part of the 'authority' you bemoan who defended your rights.
     
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    You mean being concerned for the public's health is a trait exhibited by D's and disregarding the risk of death to other people is a trait exhibited by R's?
     
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    Just another thread to hate on Republicans because that is all the party of hate knows how to do.
     
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    Do you believe that all liberals have smaller amygdala than all conservatives? Further, do you believe that this is such a dominant factor in personality, that all democrats with smaller amygdala are less fearful and significantly more empathetic than all republicans with larger amygdala?
     
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    I am sure these confused and angry posts make sense to you, if to no one else.
     
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    It has nothing to do with belief. It is more on line of the preponderance of the evidence. Scientific studies have shown that conservatives desire security, predictability, and authority more so than liberals and that liberals are more comfortable with novelty, nuance, and complexity. Not only that but these characteristics are related to brain structure. Not only that but the differences first start appearing at around age 10. Differences that can been seen in people’s daily lives.

    Of course the research sheds light on the conservative insistence that one is liberal in one’s youth and becomes more and more conservative as one ages and gains wisdom. Simple demographical data shows this not to be true. But more important, brain research shows it not to be true. In order for a liberal to turn conservative, one would have to undergo a brain transition that restructures one’s brain. Something that never happens,

    Also, contrary to conservative belief, brain research has shown conservatives to be more emotionally based in their thinking and liberal thought to be more rational in nature.

    Awhile back I read an article in Science that said that even though conservatives tend to tell others that they are happier, liberals tend to act in a way that shows them to be happier. Liberals tend to smile more. Has something to do with why there are far more liberal comedians than conservatives ones.

    Of course, like everything else there is a spectrum.
     
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    I pointed out the major problem with the theory. Reading what you wrote, a person would get the impressions that one hundred percent of liberals are more empathetic and less worried than one hundred percent of conservatives. Obviously, that is not true. What is more important, if it is true at all, is what is the degree of difference.. Without knowledge of the actual distribution, the whole theory borders on worthless.
     
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    Between strong liberals and strong conservatives, the differences are most striking. While individuals will vary from time to time, conservatives, as a whole, are quite predictable.

    The problem that you are having is that free will is often an illusion. Just look at the large numbers of people who think that the election was stolen from the Trump, even though the majority of the people dislike it and voted it out of office. But then that is not surprising as we saw that same refusal to face reality as the Trump was being impeached.

    Global warming anyone?
     
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    it is still meaningless unless it can be quantified.
    Why do you believe that the majority of global warming is man made?
     
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    The op acknowledges that it is a generalization, not a fixed and unvarying rule, so I don't know who would think "100%."
     
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    democrats drive gas saving vehicles, republicans drive trucks.

    It's true.
     
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    He is implying that there is a difference between republicans and democrats because of it. Yet he cannot quantify it. Without quantifying it, it is worthless.
     
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    Biden's spine is fine, it's his brain that is mush and that makes him easy to manipulate.
     
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    My first car over sixty years ago was a Renault 4CV. I have tended to drive smaller vehicles my whole life. My truck is a Ford Ranger which gets nearly thirty miles to the gallon.

    Some republicans drive gas saving vehicles and some democrats drive trucks or oversized SUVs.
     
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    You could walk into a bagel shop, diversified, educated, fit, on the whole.

    Now walk into a donut shop, more elderly, someone with a maga hat, predominantly white, and a cop or two.

    I'm willing to bet most in the bagel shop voted for Biden, and most in the donut shop voted for Trump.

    There's a street in San Diego with a donut shop and a bagel shop almost next door, and the contrast. Well, though Not always, a few exceptions, but on the whole, the contrast was rather obvious.
     
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    I'm saying, 'on the average' i.e., more on the right will drive trucks, and more on the left will drive gas saving vehicles.

    I saw a survey on this somewhere, I forget where, though.
     
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    Doesn't surprise me that you forgot where.
     

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