Do Trump supporters believe that the rule of law should now be "forgive and forget"?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    then you don't know if they were servers in their home or 3rd party servers

    we know for sure whatsup app was third party servers, not sure which third party they used for email

    why do we not know this, cause no one cared they used personal email it seems

    now if Ivanka runs for President, then we will get a full investigation like with Hillary
     
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  2. kriman

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    It is likely that the FBI has already investigated, but go for it.
     
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  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump's FBI? have not heard they did

    if they did, they did not leak it like the Republican Comey did Hilary
     
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  4. Lil Mike

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    No, just trying to glean actual facts from hysteria. You guys don't make it easy.
     
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  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In ordinary times it would be impossible there is any debate about the Trump campaign's connection with Russia given the factual record. That there is is a testament to right wing media lies and the gullibility of those who consume it.

    A Collusion Reading Diary: What Did the Senate Intelligence Committee Find?
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/collusion-reading-diary-what-did-senate-intelligence-committee-find

    The record is clear, decisive, and readily available to those who choose to read it. Notably, Trump supporters never do.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  8. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're going to need to turn your head the other way.............again.

    "The report summarizes the key role of Roger Stone in these efforts:

    Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about WikiLeaks through Roger Stone. In spring 2016, prior to Assange's public announcements, Stone advised the Campaign that WikiLeaks would be releasing materials harmful to Clinton. Following the July 22 DNC release, Trump and the Campaign believed that Roger Stone had known of the release and had inside access to WikiLeaks, and repeatedly communicated with Stone about WikiLeaks throughout the summer and fall of 2016. Trump and other senior Campaign officials specifically directed Stone to obtain information about upcoming document releases relating to Clinton and report back. At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump and senior Campaign officials on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that Stone had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone's information suggested more releases would be forthcoming."

    Which explains why Trump refused to be interviewed by Mueller, refused to answer questions about obstruction, and why Stone refused to cooperate with Mueller.
     
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  9. Lil Mike

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    So how is Roger Stone connected to the Russkies? Oh @Asherah ...
     
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  10. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I had hoped resorting to coy nonsense like that was beneath you. Apparently not.
     
  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Proof? It's a list! You asked what crimes Trump had committed and I listed them for you. How can Trump supporters be so confused about what the word "proof" means! I don't think they are. They just act like they are!

    BTW, a "thank you for doing my research for me" from you would be in order.
     
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  12. Golem

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    And the "he's too stupid to be prosecuted" defense wouldn't account for the fact that he stayed silent for hours while the terrorist attack on the Capitol was still in progress. When he finally did speak out it was to tell the domestic terrorists he assembled 'We Love You, You're Very Special'.

    I predict the Trump loyalist defense will be something like and "Jesus loved his enemies too" and "everybody is special".. or some other Sesame Street level response (with apologies to Sesame Street)
     
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  13. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    They will do it again. Maybe not this massive (or maybe just as massive), but domestic terrorism is alive and well. He hasn't told his "Proud Boys" and similar terrorist groups to stop and surrender themselves to the authorities. So they're still standing by, as ordered.
     
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    Excellent link. A good summary of the Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee as related to the events as they were reported on the media.

    The most relevant thing about this report is that it confirms the facts that were originally attributed by the media to "anonymous sources"
     
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  15. stone6

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    Yes...the old "well...that's just Trump being Trump," isn't going to work this time. I want to see him criminally prosecuted in a court of law, whatever happens in the Senate.
     
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    Nice guess he's already out of office, he won't be convicted again because a) the charges are, again, ridiculous, and b) the Senate has no standing to impeach or try a private citizen. This is not the French legislature of 1794.
     
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    Wikileaks is an indirect link to Russians. Russians gave Wikileaks the data, Stone coordinated the strategic leaking of those materials with Assange. Given the context, this was suspicious behavior that warranted further investigation. Stone stonewalled, never admitting what he'd done, which furthered suspicions. In the end, no direct link was established. Nevertheless, Stone, Assange, and Russians were clearly working toward the common goal of making Democrats look bad to help Trump get elected. Not criminal conspiracy, but one can subjectively apply the non-legal term "collusion" to this joint effort.
     
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  18. Lee Atwater

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    "Trump and the Campaign continued to promote and disseminate the hacked WikiLeaks documents, even after the Office of the Director of National Intelligence [ODNI] and the Department of Homeland Security [DHS] released a joint statement officially attributing the hack-and-leak campaign to Russia as part of its interference in the U.S. presidential election. The Trump Campaign publicly undermined the attribution of the hack-and-leak campaign to Russia, and was indifferent to whether it and WikiLeaks were furthering a Russian election interference effort."

    It remains an astonishing phenomenon that Trump fans can continue to ignore overwhelming facts based on Billy the Bagman's duplicitous mischaracterization of Mueller's work.
     
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    It's debatable what their motives were, and all we can do is speculate. Mueller suggested it could be the desire to avoid political embarrassment or that they weren't sure whether or not it was illegal. It WASN'T illegal - which is unfortunate, because it's something we ought not to have.
     
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  20. Lee Atwater

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    With Trump's track record of testifying under oath I think we can do more than speculate.

    "Specifically, the report states that “[t]he Campaign tried to cast doubt on the October 7 joint DHS/ODNI assessment formally attributing the activity to Russia, and was indifferent to the significance of acquiring, promoting, or disseminating materials from a Russian intelligence services hack-and-leak campaign.” It reiterates again that “[t]he Trump Campaign strategically monitored and promoted the WikiLeaks releases of John Podesta's emails from October 7 until the election.”

    The report also tracks a second, related effort to obtain emails: Trump’s obsession with the "missing" emails from Hillary Clinton's server. It repeats what was already revealed in the Mueller report and widely reported in the press: that Trump publicly requested (“Russia, if you’re listening…”) that Russia find and release those emails and, hours later, that GRU hackers spear-phished nonpublic email accounts of Clinton's personal office for the first time and targeted seventy-six email accounts hosted by the Clinton campaign's domain."
     
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    No crime, no evidence.. same with russia
    Collusion, same with bogus ukraine..

    you leftists want to redefine what crime is, ‘whatever you deem it to be’

    crazies
     
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  22. Lil Mike

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    So what is the evidence that Russians gave Wikileaks the data? Did Assange confess or were there whistleblowers from Wikileaks?

    More to the point, in spite of denying the existence of a Russian Collusion conspiracy, it turns out you are neck deep in it.

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  23. Lil Mike

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    You want to be thanked for this?

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    That is both sad and hilarious.
     
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    Nah...a lot of the Russians were indicted and tried in absentia. Read the Mueller Report on the connection between the Russians and Wikileaks. I don't have my copy with me, but am pretty sure it went into that...allow much of it may have been redacted to protect our spies in Russia.
     
  25. Lil Mike

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    OK you don't have the evidence but it's out there and it's probably kept secret so if I can't find anything that's why.

    Do you have a three hour youtube video for me to watch that will blow my mind?
     

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