Trump's Impeachment: The defense's weak weak case

The 'defense' yesterday was embarrassing, even more so than the prior days.
Really bad.

 

Which team got caught in a lie? Right.

 

The defense, every word they use is a lie. The entire defense is BASED on lies!
Same as last impeachment trial!
Always remember, you are defending a POS that has been impeached TWICE and tried, like it or not to overthrow our Govt.
I do not understand how anyone can defend that let alone claim to be an American at the same time.
I just can't understand it.

 

Not only lies, but now their strategy seems to be to accuse the House managers of not proving their case regarding what Trump knew about the riot and when. Yet they refused to allow Trump to testify to the matter. Which in a civil action like impeachment means the defense can not make claims of innocence when their own clients will not testify to it.

 

Its typical Qpublican behavior. Do something wrong, deny it, then claim it wasn't really all that wrong, then say 'They do it too' and finally blame the Democrats for what they just got caught doing.
Standard MO for the radical right.

 

No disrespect sir but that could be because you are uninformed. I suggest you watch other news networks other than the liberal ones. Try for a balanced approach to the news.

 

You forgot claiming it's all fake news.

 

How could they do that?

 

I have to say that van der Veen has been a stellar last minute addition. The theatrics and faux outrage is award winning. Trump must be thrilled with his performance this morning!! He's almost daring the Dems to subpoena Trump!!

 

You would have to ask Trump that.

 

How would marching to the Capitol show that the election was fraudulent? In other words, what was the outcome that Trump expected from his calls.

When Trump says, for example:
" We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution."
If the fight was to get Mike Pence to "come through for us", how would they accomplish that? How exactly would Mike Pence "come through for us

What does what you posted have to do with my comment that you quote?

 

There is only one piece of information that could lead to conviction. A poll showing Trump's approval rating has dropped below 30% among Repubs.

 

A protest just like any peaceful protest. Trying to get a full investigation rather than the pretend investigations they did perform.

Without going back and checking my and your exact words. You indicated that Trump said something back in December which incriminated him. I want to know what his exact words were.

 

Your comment just shows the pure politics of this impeachment. Polls have nothing to do with guilt.

 

The way I'd solve all this as Senator is to decide whether what he did in totality amounts the impeachable offense of inciting these thugs to start and/ or continue their insurrection and I would vote guilty. As to the constitutional question about the Senate's right to impose a sentence on a private citizen, I would vote to impose the sentence, and let Trump decide to appeal this Senate imposed penalty to the courts, if he chooses. He has an available remedy and he gets to take that risk with SCOTUS. I as Senator don't have to take out my appellate crystal ball on constitutionality when we have 9 people who can handle that .

I just apply my oath to the case before me vote to convict and vote for the ban on public office.

 

That wasn't the question. The question is In what way Mike Pence could "come through" in regards to this "full investigation" you mention? What does Mike Pence (as mentioned in the quote) have to do with that?

And how did Pence fail them in this regard? As Trump tweeted later

Well... look them up. I stopped doing your research for you when I did, presented links and quotes, and you failed to acknowledge you were wrong.

Especially when I see no relation between that and your question.

 

That is not the question. The question was did he actually threaten anyone.

I will make it very simple for you. Even a grade school student should be able to figure it out.

Explain your own statement. "Especially after his calls for this specific event in mid-December.""

 

Everyone who went to the Capitol to demonstrate had a right to be there. The ones who broke windows and trespassed should be charged, tried, and sentenced according to the law. At least they weren't armed and started shooting. At least they didn't set any fires.

 

"Threaten anyone"? What the hell are you talking about? You say the weirdest things...

That is the question I am asking. No Trump loyalist can answer that question because, if they did, it would be clear that it was an incitation to do.... what they did.

And by not responding, you have demonstrated this fact.

WHAT do you want me to "explain" about it? It's completely self explanatory. Are you denying that he did, or what? If you are denying it, why don't you say it? That way we can confirm that you have no idea what you're talking about. Which we already knew anyway.

 

No. He did not physically threaten anyone.

It appears that he did not ask for any specific event in December since you refuse to explain what you are talking about.

 

Not only did I explain what I'm talking about.... you even quoted it. He started calling for this specific event in December. I believe it was right after all courts had rejected his nonsense, and all states and the electors had refused to go along with his other attempts at becoming the dictator. I guess he considered this the his last resort. Except this one was clearly illegal.

There's your response. Now it's your turn: What was it he was asking his supporters to force Pence and Republican lawmakers to do in everything he said, starting in December, about January 6? Including, but not limited to, his speech (and tweets, video and... other communication) on that day.

Answer!

 

But what were his specific words?

 

Trump used the word "peaceful". After that if any laws were broken it was simply the fault of the person breaking the law. But to those who hate Trump they will twist all events to put Trump in a bad light. Lots of people need to grow up mentally and emotionally.

 

I did that for you before on a different topic. And you refused to acknowledge that you were wrong and I was right.

I will gladly do that, but first

1- You have to answer my question clearly: what was Trump telling his mob that Mike Pence and Republican lawmakers would have to do to "come through" for them.

For example:

"I hope Mike Pence comes through for us, I have to tell you, I hope that our great vice president, our great vice president comes through for us. He’s a great guy, because if he doesn’t come through, I won’t like him quite as much.”
...
"If Mike Pence does the right thing we win"​

And later that day, when Pence did what the constitution and the laws tell him to do, he tweeted.

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution,”
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What is "the right thing"?

2- After I do your research for you and show the quote, you agree to acknowledge, clearly and unequivocally, that I was right.

 

In other words, whatever he said in February did not amount to much and you are just looking for ways to dodge answering the question.