I'm getting my Moderna vax this week, and I thank OBAMA

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  1. Indlib

    Indlib Well-Known Member

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    I share your staunch belief in fiscal responsibility and frequently voted republican based soley on debt/deficit issues in the past. Now it seems the party of fiscal responsibility is no more but that isn't to say dems are any better.
     
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    The former President of the United States knowingly lying about the severity of a pandemic to the American people is not nonesense. It is disgraceful.

    I do not blame Trump in any way for the virus traveling around the world in 20 days. I blame him for knowing how dangerous the virus was in February and lying to the American people.
     
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    I remember when Bush enticed Banks to hand out mortgages like candy to people who could barely afford the mortgages at teaser rates.

    He ran the loans through Government Sponsored Enterprises to assign a AAA rating to mortgage backed securities based on the toxic loans. Here's the command that made it happen:
    HUD No. 99-131
    CUOMO ANNOUNCES ACTION TO PROVIDE $2.4 TRILLION IN MORTGAGES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR 28.1 MILLION FAMILIES


    See full chart of higher goals by metropolitan area

    WASHINGTON - Housing and Urban Development Secretary Andrew Cuomo today announced a policy to require the nation's two largest housing finance companies to buy $2.4 trillion in mortgages over the next 10 years to provide affordable housing for about 28.1 million low- and moderate-income families.

    Cuomo said the historic action by HUD raises the required percentage of mortgage loans for low- and moderate-income families that finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac must buy from the current 42 percent of their total purchases to a new high of 50 percent - a 19 percent increase - in the year 2001. The percentage will first increase to 48 percent in 2000.

    https://archives.hud.gov/news/1999/pr99-131.html

    Oh. It wasn't Bush at all. It was the genius who dumped COVID-positive people on nursing homes to kill the residents.

    The same genius who failed to fund OFHEO, the regulator for the GSE's. In 1997, the GAO blasted HUD / OFHEO for failing to regulate the GSE's and the Capital Market Subcommittee attempted to install an independent regulator to circumvent Cuomo's incompetence. The attempt to save the GSE's and the economy from meltdown was fought by Maxine Waters on the House side and Schumer on the Senate side.

    The other part of the meltdown, the part that had people walking away from expensive homes was the Chinese drywall disaster facilitated by the Democrats' ally, China.
     
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    So did the CURRENT leader of Chiner, you know the one that could have slooooowed the spread of the chiner flu.. SO is the whole planets at fault? They must be according to your finger pointing of blame ;)

    Feb was far to late to do very much, look around at the world.. Twenty days was huge considering the lethality of this virus.. Blame Chiner, past that it was inevitable.. To many people globally had it..
     
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    I knew you could do it. You seem like a pretty sharp individual.

    You finally admit Trump lied. It can be difficult to overcome media programming but is very rewarding when someone has a breakthrough. Baby steps.

    I guess the next step is to care.
     
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    He would have IF this vaccine really did anything against Covid. How come Moderna didn’t point this out?
     
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    Yup in Feb like you say... Then again we can't seem to get you to realized the magnitude of not stopping the virus at the epic center for over 20 days.. And the repercussion of allowing it to be spread world wide.. You want to believe this virus could have been controlled by other countries after a 20 day head start, well I'll keep questioning your loyalty to your American brothers and Sister and the people around the world stricken down by XI and WHO that withheld important data in December 2019..

    Look bro, Trumps gone! He ain't coming back! You can now focus on Chiner and all the death he and the WHO are responsible for here and around the world.. Since your party is in office, maybe you could redirect your concerns about what they did to us and the planets and maybe demand monetary compensation from them "Chiners" instead of bleeding this country, your Brothers and Sisters and our economy dry paying for their silence that killed millions WORLD Wide..

    It's ok, Trump is gone, you can accept some of the facts now!!
     
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    He put experts in front of a national audience starting around January 29 and announced a restriction on travel from Wuhan on January 31 to begin February 2. He hid nothing. The experts he had at his disposal were waffling for weeks about every dimension of response. What do you know about Trump's knowledge that tells you he knew more than the geniuses in the bureaucracy that he inherited?
     
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    I never said any of the above nor have I implied it.

    I am not a Democrat.

    I am concerned about Xi's early inaction. I never said other wise.

    I did accept the facts. Trump lied to America about the danger of the virus. That is a fact.
     
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    So once it got out of china there was nothing anyone else could do about it. Got it.
     
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    The Woodward tapes.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...CBAC&usg=AOvVaw0xL26nQWxraiSojlI_6VbX&ampcf=1
     
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    And one more time the Trump administration gave them an initial order for 180,000,000 of them and cleared the path for them to develop through testing and approval. WARP SPEED. Yea I stand by it because it DID enable them to use their own funding and avoid the government red tape and oversite as was part of Trump's plan.


    ROFLMAO..................ok


    a. Bush and a Republican Congress did that after the peak deficit of $400B after the Dot.com bust stock market collapse and then the 9/11 attack. They made two mistakes. The $600 prebate on the new tax rates, it did nothing to stimulate anything but then not "free money" like we have seen with COVID hand outs so not a big thing. Then they passed the tax rate cuts as phase in's through 2006 barely cutting at all the first year. By 2003 they saw the error of the ways and in 2004 full implemented them and revenues SOARED, more people went back to work at the new jobs make more money and becoming tax payers again. Then yes in 2007 the Democrats took back the Congress and control of the government with a lame duck President. A YEAR before the recession started. As the economy slowed they did nothing and were certainly not taking their orders from Bush. The did as Biden is proposing now and it was a disaster and yes took that last Republican deficit of that paltry $161B to $1.4T in just two years. And then kept it above $1T for the next 3 years. And the stimulus failed by it's own stated goal of keeping unemployment to just 8% and instead it soared to 10% and stayed over 8% for the next three years. The worst recovery in modern history.

    You do realize that unemployment hit 14% on the Covid recession and here 10 months later we are at 6.2% heading full employment. It took Biden OVER FIFTY MONTHS to do that last time.

    b. Trump's budgets called across the board spending cuts. His budgets and spending levels were not passed. That being said Trump never was consider the great fiscal conservatives to begin with. But certainly more so than any Democrats. I take it you support fiscally conservative policies? Which party has constantly and consistently called for higher spending and in record amounts as I type?

    Sorry but the government efforts and response are his, he was the President. But if I look will I find this same being applied to Biden who is trying to claim the credit for Trump's OWS?
     
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    So you also don't recognize the ramification of letting the infected fly around the world for twenty days, Got it!
     
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    LOL concerned.. From what I read you were, are far more concerned with what Trump couldn't possible divert once the virus had twenty day to spread across the planet.. That is crystal clear..

    All hail XI..
     
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    The Donald says "you're welcome"
     
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    No I don't because after it gets out there are still things that can be done to stop it, you believe otherwise.
     
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    After twenty days! Damn you are a true believer I'll give you that...
     
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    So you think the vaccine is a hoax?
     
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    I didn't expect him to divert. I expected him to not lie to the American people about how dangerous the virus was.
     
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    One campaigning for their return to office. It's unfortunate that self promotion is required for political votes. I am not fond of self promotion.
     
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    Since you are into wild conspiracy theories, I just thought I'd interject one of my own.
     
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    So, if you want to keep a secret, the first thing you do is go on the record with a has been reporter who is starved for relevance. He took every action of a man who knew the severity of the situation. He could have said, "Hey, we are doomed and we don't have a solution." or avoid panic and do everything in his power to facilitate the delivery of a vaccine as fast as the sluggish bureaucracy could allow it to happen.

    Beyond that, he could have overridden Fauci and avoid 87% of the deaths by pushing HCQ & Zinc that proved to be effective --- but he couldn't force the solution down the throats of the medical community over the din of criticism by the Democrat media.
     
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    He lied to the American people...and the world about the danger of a pandemic. How you can excuse that is beyond me but of course it ended with a jab at the "Democrat media". Well played. Your media masters would be proud.

    Thanks for the invite down the rabbit hole of conspiracy medications but the deflection will not work.
     

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