On Derek Chauvin And Sofia Gelberg

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you noticed:

    In each and every publicized case, it was preceded by the suspect resisting arrest or otherwise disregarding the orders of law enforcement?

    Have you noticed that there is always a rush to judgement that the policeman is always guilty?

    Have you noticed that it is always the police that need to reformed when reforming of the black community by encouraging compliance would save nearly all those blacks? The Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons have more blood on their hands than any policeman.
     
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    I don't want to speak about 11-month long bloody riots.
    I don't want to speak about the Mad Maxine's recent threat.
    But remember, that from the very first day the academia, the mass media, the liberal and (much of) conservative establishment as well as the Democratic Party establishment have been talking about "racist murder", rather than "suspicious death"!
     
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    Do you have a link to this story?
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Juries can be swayed. Ask Mad Maxine. Her threat of violence was likely sufficient to sway said jury. Folks get scared when the mob comes after them. Threatens them and their towns. The KKK used to do this. And now it's BLM/ANTIFA. Are you proud of them and their handiwork?
     
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    Some time ago Randy Ethan Halprin (one of "Texas Seven") was sentenced to death. The judge was reported to have referred to him as a "****" and a "****ing Jew" and to have said Jews "needed to be shut down because they controlled all the money."

    Having learned this a group of Jewish activists (successfully) petitioned the Texas authorities to investigate into the report and to suspend the death sentence.

    BLM, AntiFa, the mass media, the academia, the Democratic party leadership could (and should) have called the Minnesota authorities to probe George Floyd's suspicious death, if black lives really mattered to them.
    But, unfortunately they don't.

    Remember the black Trump supporter Bernell ‘Ras’ Trammell.
    Remember the retired African-American captain David Dorn.
    Remember the 8-years-old black girl Secoriea Turner.

    Because the true purpose of "BLM", "Antifa" and co. and of their "defenders and protectors" is not "helping the blacks", but "Death to Zionist regime ! Death to Great Satan!" - as "Rev." Farrakhan yelled in Tehran two years ago.

    Remember the destoyed US (and Israeli) flags, the vandalized synagogues (in Los Angeles), the burned Bibles (in Portland), the smashed the Holocaust memorial (in Santa Rosa).
     
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    Like with the uproar over the shooting of white insurrectionist at the Capitol?
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea where anyone would get the idea that the murder was racially motivated. After all, I do not know of any racists.



     
  8. drluggit

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    There is also an additional 12 or so minutes of very clear video that shows why this happened that you don't seem to care about. There are 30 or so years of his behavior that led to this moment as well. Again, ignored by you. There is also the toxicology reports that demonstrate that Floyd OD'ed. He even admits he "ate too much drugs"..while being restrained.

    It's a tragedy that Floyd expired. His death was a result of his own choices. his own actions, and putting himself in a position for police to have health with him in this way. Do your happy dance, believe that you've been rewarded for your faithful recitation of the liturgy of the mob. It isn't Chauvin that folks like me will be grieving for today, it's the law. And the miscarriage of justice that folks, like you, are so joyful about today.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Seems to me that it is your posts that are a testament to how wrong you have been. Guilty, guilty, guilty. Three strikes and you are out, once again. Not much of a batting average.
     
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    Again, I don't claim that Derek Chauvin is necessarily innocent and I don't claim that Sofia Gelberg was necessarily innocent either.
    But both faced neither a fair investigation, nor a fair trial...
     
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    Mobs are blood thirsty.
     
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    How many cities were destroyed as a result? We barely hear about it.
     
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    Wrong? In what way? The jury feared for themselves and their city after being repeatedly threatened with more violence. So, you revel in injustice. It's your thing. Got it.
     
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    If a single jurist says that the threat of violence was even mentioned during deliberations, the convictions will be overturned. Maxine Waters may also result in overturning the convictions.
     
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    False.

    False.

    False.

    False.

    4 fallacies in one post. Good job.
     
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    But he wasn't wrong....Floyd didn't die "of hypotension, a condition caused by his massive drug overdoes"""
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    And not one citation of fact that would lead you to label the facts in this way. Brava. Demand authority. It's what you do. Truth. Hennepin county disagrees with your assessment of "fales" George Floyd's toxicology report is public record. Video evidence provided to the jury captures Floyds admitting that he "ate too many drugs". George died from hypotensive asphyxia. Do you even know what that means? It means he OverDosed himself, which were actions that only he was responsible for. He set in motion his own demise. Had he cooperated with police (20 minutes of body cam footage demonstrates that he did not) he'd have been put in an ambulance in custody. But Floyd refused to admit he was on drugs. Captured on three body cams video. The narrative of falsity is yours. Sorry you simply cannot accept the facts in this case.
     
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    This here coroner's report: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hen...lic-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf

    Sure says he did.
    III. No life-threatening injuries identified
    1. A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
    2. B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal
      structures
    3. C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
    4. D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other
      than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column
      injuries, or visceral injuries
    5. E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and
      lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks
      negative for occult trauma

      IV. Viral testing (Minnesota Department of Health, postmortem nasal swab collected 5/26/2020): positive for 2019-nCoV RNA by PCR (see ‘Comments,’ below)

      V. Hemoglobin S quantitation (postmortem femoral blood, HHC
      Laboratory): 38% (see ‘Comments,’ below)
      VI. Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing
      performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at
      9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)
      1. A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
        1. 1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
        2. 2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
        3. 3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
        4. 4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
        5. 5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
          Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
        6. 6. Cotinine positive
        7. 7. Caffeine positive
      2. B. Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol,
        isopropanol, or acetone
      3. C. Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,
        amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite
      4. D. Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL


        He died of hypotensive asphyxia. Means he dies because his heart failed, likely because he was drugged beyond recovery. I know it doesn't support your narrative. But facts, do in fact, matter.
     
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    That doesn't mean he wasn't "helped along" by the Right's hero, old "Judge, Jury and Executioner", Chauvin..

    I see you carefully avoid all the other expert testimony on WHY Floyd died.....


    If he died of a drug overdose why was there a trial??
     
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    Who is this "right's hero" that you mention? You mean the police officer who, for 20 minutes had to deal with a drug addled convicted felon who resisted arrest? That isn't a hero, it's a shyte job that unfortunately had to be done because of the actions of Floyd himself. You seem to want to attack Chauvin, but your posts are pretty much the definition of your demand to be the judge jury and executioner for the cop, are you not?

    The Hennepin CO ME was the authority. Are you suggesting that he is not? A lethal does of Fentanyl is ~3.2-3.5 ng per ml.

    This source says that it is even less...
    • The lethal dose of fentanyl is generally stated to be 2 milligrams. This lethal dose considers that the individual has not developed significant tolerance; however, even in individuals with significant tolerance, the lethal dose of fentanyl is extremely small compared to the potential lethal doses of many other opiate drugs.
    • Morphine doses of over 200 mg are considered to be lethal. Individuals with hypersensitivity to opiate drugs may experience lethal effects from significantly lower amounts, and individuals with tolerance may need extremely high amounts of morphine before they experience lethal overdose effects.
    • The lethal dose for heroin is generally reported as being between 75 and 375 mg.
    • The lethal dose for hydrocodone is generally stated to be around 90 mg. However, taking hydrocodone with acetaminophen (e.g., as in Vicodin and other medications) can result in lethal effects occurring at lower doses.
    • A single dose of 40 mg or more of oxycodone may produce lethal effects in some individuals. Individuals who take controlled-release forms of oxycodone and take more than 80 mg per day may experience overdose effects if they have not developed significant tolerance.

    Based on the above figures, one can calculate that the lethal dose for fentanyl is approximately 100 times less than the lethal dose for morphine. In addition, when individuals mix drugs, such as fentanyl dosing in conjunction with heroin, the potential amount of a lethal dose of fentanyl is drastically reduced to the point of being so small that normal individuals might not be able to measure it.

    In most cases, lethal doses of any drug will vary depending on who is taking the drug. The lethal dose for a small child or a 100-pound woman will be significantly smaller than the lethal dose for a 300-pound man.

    In addition, individuals who have established significant tolerance to a substance will require significantly higher amounts of the drug in order to experience an overdose or lethal effects compared to individuals who have not established a tolerance for the drug.

    In many cases, the mode of administration may play a role in how much of the drug is actually delivered to the individual’s system. For instance, taking a drug orally typically results in less of the drug entering a person’s system than snorting or injecting it. Moreover, snorting or injecting opiate drugs results in their actions being experienced far more quickly than taking them orally.

    Fentanyl Overdose Symptoms
    The signs and symptoms that occur in individuals who have overdosed on fentanyl can consist of:

    • Extreme drowsiness, lethargy, lightheadedness, or dizziness
    • Marked difficulty with balance, difficulty with walking, and decreased motor coordination
    • Complaints of nausea and vomiting
    • Significant mental status changes that often include slurred speech, decreased speed of thought (that can be observed by extremely slow rates of speech), confusion, irrational actions, and/or aggressiveness
    • Pinpoint eye pupils and/or bluish or purplish lips, hands, feet, fingernails, and/or toenails
    • Noticeably slowed or shallow breathing (In some cases, people may stop breathing or produce gurgling noises.)
    • A marked reduction in blood pressure and heart rate
    • Becoming unconscious or comatose
    The lethal effects that occur as a result of fentanyl overdose are most often due to significant respiratory suppression or the complete halting of breathing as a result of the central nervous system depressant effects of the drug.

    What to Do If Someone Has Overdosed On Fentanyl
    If one suspects that someone has overdosed on fentanyl, there are several actions that should be taken:

    • Contact medical emergency services (call 911) immediately.
    • Do not attempt to perform CPR or administer any medications unless you are trained to do so.
    • If the person is still breathing, roll them on their side so they will not choke if they vomit.
    • Trained individuals can place the person in the standard recovery position and ensure that the person’s airways are free of obstructions.
    • Do not administer any fluids. Just stay with the person and make sure they are breathing until help arrives.
    • Individuals trained to administer naloxone can save the person’s life if the drug is available. Naloxone (brand name: Narcan) is an opioid antagonist medication that immediately attaches to the opioid receptors in the brain when administered, removes any opioid drugs that are attached to those receptor sites, and initiates an immediate withdrawal response. If naloxone can be administered quickly enough, a potentially fatal situation can be avoided. Some communities are offering training in administration of the drug.
    • FENTANYL

    OPIATE

    Notice, the video evidence provided by police body cams, as well as all of the cell captures indicate that all of the indications were present in mr Floyd. Add to that his history of resisting arrest, his multiple convictions for violent felonies, and his interaction with the police on that day are pretty clear.

    What is also equally as clear is that his death is being used to foment chaos and violence in our nation. And here you are, declaring authority in a space you clearly are lacking in.

    There was a trial because the city was besieged with violence. The nation was besieged with violence. Do you not understand that?
     
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    You can go over all the videos and testimony if you like. I watched over 90% of the trial. It's not my job to convince you that reality is not what you're peddling.

    The facts (video and other evidence and eyewitness and expert testimony) disagree with all the fallacies you're peddling.

    The facts speak for themselves. Making up your own facts adds up to a s*itload of fallacies you're trying to peddle. I don't understand why but the jury got it right, that's also a fact.
     
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    I cited directly from the Examiner's report. Show me where he was wrong.
     
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    Nothing. The police should not be vilified. A few cops like Chauvin should be villified.
     

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