Effort to legalize recreational marijuana knocked down by Florida Supreme Court

Mizzouri legislation wants to have the option of negating mandates from the masses created by plebiscite which is a form of oppression of the voters. This is being led by the Republicans in power.

 

Red has no respect for Republicanism - tis sad commentary what the GOP has come to.

 

They used to just be annoying what with their religious zealotry now it's autocracy they want.

 

Yes, 60%, and the GOP introduced a bill to raise it higher than 60%.

 

You know what is really bizarre about this - is that no one in the MSM -left or right will mention the founding principles and the definition of a Constitutional Republic .. Almost no one knows - they have no clue - the masses are too ignorant to vote..

What is the point of voting if that person has no clue what the the justification for their vote is supposed - no idea what question is being asked.

For example - a referendum on alcohol - The question of the referendum is not "Do you like Alcohol" - the question is "Do you have legitimate justification to forcer your personal likes/dislikes on others through physical violence "Law" - as that is what Law is.

So answers like "I don't like it" or "God doesn't like it" are not valid answers to the question - as neither is valid justification for law.

Without an informed and educated electorate (educated only in what a vote means and a few other basic principles on which our system is built) there is no such thing as a functional democratic process.

 

I'm happy to have issues like this stay at the forefront of public debate. As long as it does, there might still be a chance those on the Progressive Left will keep thinking like Libertarians.

Sometimes it's really hard to realize the importance of individual liberties in general unless one of those liberties happens to be something you really care about.

Anyway, I like my idea with lots of regulations and control, with endless limitations. Will probably make those on the Left more frustrated and liberty-demanding than if it was just made outright illegal altogether.

 

Its not in forefront. Its kept in the shadows and back-alleys.

 

Well, as they say "the candle that burns half as bright burns twice as long".

 

I don't know. The 2022 initiative is dead. They'll probably try again for 2024, and no doubt the GQP will make sure it never makes it to ballot.

 

I think the GOP should advance a bill to legalize it, that way they can legalize it on their own terms (with tons of frustrating restrictions).

Probably the only reason that they haven't is that anyone who would appreciate this would never vote for them anyway, so they don't have much politically to gain.

I think even many Democrats want it to remain illegal at the federal level, since they are lawyer minded, and know that they can discretionarily use the law to go after big players that they want to bring down for other reasons.

 

The Left these days in general does not think like Libertarians - they have no respect for classical Liberalism.

 

Same is true (to same measure) about GQP and even more so with populists.

 

True - no respect for Republicanism on the Right. The nation as a whole has lost its way - down the path of Utilitarianism.

 

some would, just like some like moonshine... but most would do it legal is a legal option existed

people that hate freedom would just find something else to attack their other members of society over

 

Yes, but when they are fighting for issues like abortion or marijuana, at least it puts them in the mindset of fighting for liberty (if not liberty altogether, a specific liberty). It's then not too big of a jump to try to get them to have some care about liberties in general. It's easier to understand those on the other side when you've worn their shoes.

If they never felt like any individual liberty they care about is under attack, they are likely going to have no problems with government passing more laws taking away liberties every year. Because they've never felt any problem (and remember their reactions are all about emotion).

 

What liberties have you lost so far?

 

You must be totally ignorant if you're asking that question.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother posting threads when it seems no one has read them.

Maybe you should go read more of the threads in the Law & Justice section, for starters.

This is a subject that I couldn't possibly even begin to get into here. I could fill up this whole forum with things that answer your question.

And by the way, you are a perfect example of the type of people I was talking about.

 

Is everyone supposed to know everything about you? I have no idea who you are, or what liberties you have lost, so I ask the question. Please don't deflect.

What liberties have you lost?

Me, I can't think of any liberties of any significance that I have lost. I have always been free, and by this age it seems that is not about to change.

 

How about this answer: "I've never had any issues with abortion or marijuana, so why should I give a crap?"

You seem unable to grasp any reality outside your own personal experience.

 

I'd prefer if you answer the question I asked: What liberties have you lost so far?

Marijuana was made illegal 85 years ago. Did you lose the freedom to smoke pot 85 years ago? Is that what you meant?

 

I'm not sure I am understanding you now. Are you for legalization or against?

 

I am for letting people decide, and against the FL politicians blocking it from the ballot. They have done it time after time and just did it again. But you said you are losing liberties every year, so I asked which liberties you are referring to.

 

No my friend - tis not for lack of understanding - well .. some of it but what we have here is a severe case is belief in freedoms - "Freedom of Speech" for example, but only speech which one agrees with.

As our good friend Salman Rushdie said - only believing in freedom for speech you agree with - is not belief in freedom of speech - everyone believes in that .. belief in freedom of speech is agreeing for speech that you disagree with.....

This is a symptom of the "Utilitarian" disease which is at plague proportions - and has been for some time growing decade by decade .. the left the pioneers and the most eloquent at it .. however Red has the disease as well.

Justification for law on the sole basis of "What will increase Happiness for the Collective" - this completely ignoring and thus subverting any rights of the individual . and endrun around the safeguard put in place to protect that freedom.

 

In the end, it could be fairly well argued that liberty is an illusion.

 

The petition asked the wrong question as indicated by this response: "In a 5-2 decision, justices ruled that the ballot initiative "... to be “misleading.”
Why not make growing and harvesting and posssession and using Marijana to be lawful? Because the Rich man makes tons of money off Marijuana and opiate drugs, and they don't want anyone to cut them out of the profits. The stupid Americans invaded China in 1900 to force China into letting the Richman druggers continue their opium racket. Stupid Americans are still murdering people in Afghanistan to protect the Richman's opium plantations. And stupid Americans have loved murdering millions of people for over 121 years all over the world. On top of that, because Americans are so stupid and rebellious and lovers of lies, the King of kings lets us have a "supreme court" to oppress us, since we refuse the Highest Court in the Universe.