Taking down the Robert E. Lee statue

Mr. Jefferson was very proud of that university. Instead of putting his having been president on his tombstone, he put that he was founder of the U of Virginia. He thought that was a greater accomplishment.

 

If you remember Trump's speech at Mt Rushmore... he first praised Washington and Jefferson... then while praising Lincoln, Trump demonized Southern slave owners. Did Trump [or his speech writer ?] not realize both Washington and Jefferson had been Southern slave owners ??

Before anyone calls me anti-Trump... I voted for him in 2016 and 2020. But I did NOT support everything he said or did [like promote sodomites.]

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A rebellion against their king... there was no "US" when Washington first took command of the Continental Army.

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thomas jefferson didn't commit treason against the usa, lee did

 

washington fought for freedom and equality

king george fought for subjugation and taxation without representation

can you see the difference between those?

 

My sister is DAR. But I chose not to join because like many Americans our forefathers fought on both sides of the Revolutionary War. I do NOT demonize American colonists who were loyal to their king.

Remember the words of the 1620 Mayflower Compact:

In the Name of God, Amen. We whose names are under-written, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith &c. Having undertaken for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the Northern parts of Virginia...

During the civil war the Confederacy hoped England would come to their aid... but it was not to be. Russia allied with the Yankees. Ironically, both Tsar Alexander II and Lincoln were assassinated.

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of course you can't face the fact that robert e lee committed treason against the usa

 

Like Washington committed treason against Britain ??

You see... it's all a matter of perspective.

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How will taking down the statue erase history? He's still in the history books and museums and other places where people can learn about him.

Statues are built to honor people who contributed something worth memorializing. They are not reserved for perfect people as none exist. As a confederate general, what is it you would have us memorialize about him? He disavowed America and chose to fight against a sacred tenant that all are created equal. Perhaps in his life prior or post Civil War there's plenty to be proud of, but does any of it warrant a statue? I don't think so.

 

If you're comparing Thomas Jefferson to Robert E Lee, you may want to review the contributions to this country both made first.

 

i see that you're repeating the same ridiculous arguments that lots of other trump parrots are

yes, washington rebelled against britain, it wasn't his home, he fought for freedom and equality

king george fought for subjugation and taxation without representation

CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE?

 

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US cultural marxists remind me of Putin... 75 years after WW2 Putin constantly glorifies church-destroying mass-murderer of Christians marxist Stalin's victory over "fascist White supremacist" Hitler. Putin has made a religion out of it and has built a new "armed forces church" to honor Stalin. In other words, like the king in Daniel 11:37-38, Putin worships Stalin, his "god of forces" !!

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i'm a successful capitalist, trump is putin's puppet

i knew you'd keep dodging this simple question:


"washington fought for freedom and equality

king george fought for subjugation and taxation without representation

can you see the difference between those?"

 

As I previously posted here... Washington and Jefferson were Southern slave owners.

Southern slave owner Jefferson wrote the words: "all men are created equal". Obviously, he did NOT mean all individuals are equal.

As for "subjugation" and "taxation without representation"... Americans now living the USA are subject to more draconian rules/laws and taxes than historic kings could ever imagine.

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You are right about being in the history books and that can't be taken away Lee is and will always be a part of American history and that is here to stay. There is a son called "Waiting for the Robert E Lee" which a river boat is named after him and they can't change that no matter what is tried to rectify it. Lee was a leader in the confederacy when States in the South seceded from the Union. The Confederacy eventually lost in the Civil War and dissolved. The rest is history.

 

I don't Robert E. Lee promoted hate in his day that I could see. Hat was promoted by groups like the Ku Klux Klan and Neo Nazis and other hate groups. Not the Confederacy, I just don't see it.

 

Do you know the REAL history?

Do you know WHY post-Civil War former Confederate soldiers created secret militias [ie, the KKK and other similar secret groups.] They were protecting their families... their women and children... during lawless Yankee military occupation and rule called "Reconstruction" when Southerners were virtual prisoners of war with no rights. THANK GOD for the KKK and other similar militia !

Those who don't know that history and don't understand why such secret militias were necessary... you may get a chance to find out the hard way in the near future !!

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To understand why all the statues in Charlottesville came down you have to understand that C'ville is a bastion of Leftist lunacy and hypocrisy:

University of Virginia Leftist Dictates Who Is Allowed in Multicultural Center: “Too Many White People In Here”
February 13, 2020
https://www.yaf.org/news/university...ultural-center-too-many-white-people-in-here/

“Excuse me, if y’all didn’t know, this a [Multicultural Student Center] and frankly there’s just too many white people in here and this a space for people of color,” the young woman said. “So just be really cognizant of the space that you’re taking up because it does make some of us POCs uncomfortable when we see too many white people in here.”

https://nypost.com/2020/02/14/black...any-white-people-at-uva-multicultural-center/


Racial segregation good, statues of Confederate generals bad.

Personally, I'm glad the monument law has been changed to empower local communities to decide what to do with the statues in their area instead of having the state dictate that decision to them. If the "progressive" Taliban in Charlottesville want to remove all the statues that offend them they should be free to do so just as the communities that want to leave them where they are should be free to do so.

Bottom line, we've got a rough and oft unpleasant history in Virginia, and a lot of people have trouble dealing with it. I've always said History is not for snowflakes and that is particularly true in our state.

 

My slave owner is better than your slave owner....

 

Doesn't change that the students wanting to be all politically correct don't mind whose university they go to.

 

founding fathers are better than traitors

of course you can't face the fact that lee was a traitor to the united states

this really is funny

 

What is this utter white nationalistic nonsense that removing a statue is about wanting to erase history? Black history month is exceptionally keen to point out that history and that it shouldn't be forgotten. There is just a problem with R. Lee whose biggest stamp on history is to betray the United States and rage a war to have black people enslaved for their color of their skin. There is simply no room for him to have ever been some kind of symbol to be admired, which is what the statue of him is there for.

 

I'm glad you are amused at your own weird attempt at humor.

As a proud descendant of Confederates... why would I care ??

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So what?

None of the above connects Abraham Lincoln, or the fasces in his Memorial to fascism. Which is what you tried to do (incorrectly) in your first post.

So your still wrong.

 

Which I guess if nothing else yet again proves the old adage that in any civil war your a 'traitor' only if your side loses.