Do We Really Have Systemic Racism???

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  1. Zorro

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    What are the anti-intellectual Kendi's proposed "solutions"? "Top-down enforcement of racial quotas. A constitutional amendment banning racial disparity. A Department of Antiracism to prescreen every policy for racially disparate impact. Kendi proposal is worth quoting in full:"
    For example, not eagerly supporting another racial group walking off with they consider their "rightful portion" of your stuff. Put simply, this would end private ownership of anything another might demand of you. The Amish lived for 3 centuries under this kind of capricious law in Europe before coming to America. They will not shed blood, therefore, whenever the others around wanted their stuff, their farms or whatever they had possession of, they turned it over, moved on, rebuilt, until the next time of this never ending cycle. That is why they so eagerly adopted plainess if everything, so that their possessions would look less desirable to others. This is the position Kendi wants to put all of us, except for those he identifies with, in.
    He could end our Constitutional Liberal Democracy. Bad Think Forbidden:
    DOA is DOA. I am happy to report that Kendi has been reasoned out of a nutball view in his past:
    Yea! Clarence!
    He's free to think, believe, print and proclaim whatever he wants, as an American, but, he is not entitled to our money, our time, our facilities or our children.

    https://www.city-journal.org/how-to-be-an-antiracist
     
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    The most frequently quoted evidence of systemic racism is the disproportionate number of blacks who are stopped for traffic violations. However, the evidence clearly shows that the reason they are disproportionately pulled over is because of their own behavior rather them racism.
     
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    It’s not the current law of the land. The current law of the land is only oppressing whites. They are not held back at all anymore. There is no laws on our books that are racist or oppressive towards anyone other than whites. If I’m wrong show me one.
     
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    1788 - 1870 - It shouldn't have taken them 82 years to give Blacks the right to vote.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.​

    Forming a more perfect union - more perfectly securing the blessings of Liberty for all is a beautiful never ending task that we inherit from our parents and pass to our children. In my own life I've noticed that when I'm patting myself on the back for how well I pass judgment on others, that I may be overlooking my own blind spots that, rather, should be the focus of my attention and efforts. So, while we are sitting in judgment on those who had the power to implement change between 1788 and 1860, what are we missing in our own society today?

    How about:
    1. The Democrat run hellholes of our inner cities with corrupt governments that allow armed criminal gangs to operate openly, because everyone in local politics is on the take, or
    2. The Slave produced goods that top American publicly traded firms are marketing in the US, not a hundred years go, but TODAY? or
    3. Including our prison population, every day, more men than women are raped in this country. The vast majority are raped in facilities run by the government were the government has control over every aspect of their lives every second of the day, yet, they are subject to physical rape, every day, and this can go on for these men for years.
    I don't buy that we, as a group, have the right to sit in judgement of our great great great grandparents who took to long to address this. A better focus for us would be "how much longer are we going to waste our time in judgment of our great great great grandparents rather than focusing on the open horrors of 1-3 listed above? We have taken no steps to ensure that our generation will even remedy ANY of those three. But boy oh boy do we do a great job loudly wailing our moral "superiority" over our great great great grandparents, on our smartphones, made with supply lines that include slave produced products.
     
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    It wasn't current laws I was responding to. But you claim about we were NOT founded on laws based on race.

    When we were founded on slavery and not allowing blacks to be citizens or vote for near 100 yrs.
     
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    Nope, it shouldn't have, but our laws were founded upon races.
    Voting rights and slavery say so. Contradicting the post I responded to that claimed our laws were not race based.
     
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    95% percent of our incarcerated are men. Is that because our judicial system is anti-male or do men engage in more violative behavior?

    95% of workplace deaths, kill men. Is that because the American workplace is anti-male? Or do men handle the more dangerous jobs and therefore knowingly expose themselves to deadly risks, much more often?

    This is the kind of anti-intellectualism that infects CRT where it is claimed that EVERY ethnic inequity is the fault of, and can be solved by, policy. Oh, and by the way, if you can't be agnostic about this, "Silence is Violence". If you don't loudly proclaim your earnest and eager assent, these racists claim that you are a racist.
     
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    So you are against any laws in force today that enforce racism?
     
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    Say wha??
     
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    Neocons see cheap labor, Democrats believe demographics are destiny, a purely racist opinion.

    Neocons are disappearing from the landscape faster than faster than any endangered species. They will not be missed.
     
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    We were not founded ON slavery. This nation would have been here with or without them.
     
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    The arrival of these “20 and odd” Africans to England’s mainland American colonies in 1619 is now a focal point in history curricula. The date and their story have become symbolic of slavery’s roots, despite captive Africans likely being present in the Americas in the 1400s and as early as 1526 in the region that would become the United States.

    Some experts, including Michael Guasco, a professor at Davidson College and author of Slaves and Englishmen: Human Bondage in the Early Modern Atlantic World, caution about placing too much emphasis on the year 1619.
    https://www.history.com/news/american-slavery-before-jamestown-1619

    History says you are wrong.
     
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    None of of that suggests that America would not be founded or even have different principles if that wouldn’t have happened. The revolutionary war would have happened, likewise the constitution would have still been written. This country was not founded upon slavery. That’s a complete lie
     
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    all evidence points to - no, there is no systemic racism.
     
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    And none of the 20 were slaves a decade later. They were taken on as indentured servants as were a hell of a lot Caucasians. And by the way twenty is largely a guess. The exact number is unknown. The 1619 project is filled with shoddy scholarship, bad assumptions and out right lies. Not the least of which is the idea that The real motivating factor for the Revolutionary War was a fear that the were going to free the slaves. Note the brits themselves were running extensive slavery operations in the West Indies at the time, and did not themselves out law slavery until 4 or 5 decades later. They did promise freedom to any Black slave who would join the British Army. One should note that the life of a private soldier in the armies was not exactly a huge step up from that of a slave.
     
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    Dude women couldn't vote for hell of a lot on longer time than African Americans. There were by the way African Americans who did vote in that first election and a lot of white men that couldn't. Property ownership was the defining factor not race. There were indeed black men in every state in the union that owned property and we're therefore entitled to vote.
     
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    Because that's where you learn what systemic racism means. But you'd have to read it AND understand it.
     
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    Claiming asylum is legal in the US.
     
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    It was founded on freedom either.
     
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    So that thread's not about CRT? So systemic racism is about the laws.
     
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    But not crossing the border illegally to claim asylum.
     
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    How does one cross the border illegally when you can freely pass through a checkpoint?
     

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