When I was a child, we got our shots.....

Its not a grudge and it has nothing to do with 'fairness.' The govt is simply not trustworthy.

 

For your info, and in reference to the ''non-confimred cases''

Quote; 578,470 divided by 83,000,000 = .006 which is as he said is less than a 1% death rate

''which is as he said is less than 1% death rate''

CORRECTION; His own words; ''I won't get the vaccine because I don't need it. My immune system is just fine plus the virus has a 99% survival rate.

Plus the virus HAS a 99% survival rate
Plus the virus HAS a 99% survival rate
Plus the virus HAS a 99% survival rate.........Post # 76

For your info, among all Covid Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths reporting entities, the lowest numbers are reported by State's DoH, however, among all reporting entities, Covid percentages, and rates are near the same, for example;

Wordometers; Total Deaths; 628,152, Total Cases; 35,494,551 = 1.77%
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

State's Health; Total Deaths; 578,470, Total Cases; 31,997,869 = 1.80%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States

Now, in reference to matthewthf's ''the virus has a 99% survival rate'', within seconds, I realized that his Case Fatality Rate did not equate to Covid coded Deaths/Confirmed Cases, or Covid coded Deaths/Confirmed + Non-confirmed Cases, however, had he said 98.2% or 99.5% survival rate, then bingo!

110 million cases X 0.5% = 550,000 deaths

32 million cases X 1.8% = 576,000 deaths

In addition, I didn't question matthewthf's 99% survival rate accuracy, and/or 1% death rate, I just wanted him to know that his 1% death rate equates to a 2% hospitalization rate, and X millions of cases times 1% or 2% equates to a whole lot of hospitalizations.

 

Yes, but in this long response, you ignored the point of my post ( which I predicted you would do with a half page confusing response). In your other thread, you were all too happy to use the CDC higher projection of 83 million cases when it suited what you were trying to push in that thread, despite the far lower recorded case number. Now that it suits your position on a different topic, you all of a sudden completely ignore that same 83 million projection from the CDC, and now you want to rely solely upon the reported case number. You are carefully cherry picking conflicting stats, using only the stats that suit your purpose in that moment. This is the perfect illustration of the wisdom in the expression "there are three types of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics".

If you are trying to hang your hat on the notion that you were concerned that he overestimated the death rate, quite frankly I do not believe that and I sincerely doubt anyone else does. You were solely concerned with proving that the number was higher than he suggested and you of all people know it. If you want to say I am wrong because I said he claimed it to be exactly 99% that is fine because it is nonsensically pedantic and to whatever extent that was a mistake it is a meaningless mistake and not on purpose. Yes he technically put it at 99%, but that is a distinction without relevance. I am quite sure that he will happily accept the number being higher than 99%. To be EXACTLY 99% would be an unlikely coincidence indeed.

You on the other hand, have been intellectually dishonest, which is a whole different kettle of fish.

 

HE clearly stated; ''the virus as a 99% survival rate''

And then YOU clearly stated; ''he said is less than a 1% death rate''

Don't sweep YOUR misreading under the carpet, thus, acknowledge your error.

 

Yes, if you notice, I readily acknowledged that. My misdeed was an honest mistake that is meaningless in the context being discussed.

Your misdeed on the other hand was intellectually dishonest and intended to deceive. Are you going to admit as much or are you simply going to weasel out and try to obfuscate with a long winded sandstorm again? My money says the latter, but hope springs eternal that you will one day be upstanding.

 

Me too. But a lot of the guys died from meningitis. Those injections changed my body chemistry. I let my first daughter get vaxed, and what was a happy child screamed all night for weeks. She was never the same. Neighbors lost their children. The self righteous doctors and drug companies take ZERO responsibility for the suffering and death they inject. And the bribed, blackmailed, extorted politicians just keep on lying 24 hours a day.
There were 3 Brave Honest Black Presidents from Africa who told the Truth, but were soon assassinated for it.
None of our "superior" white devil politicians are brave enough to do anything except to keep on lying. Maybe I'd do the same thing if I was in their shoes.

 

I don't think at 5 you were a test subject in an experimental treatment.

 

When did that become the goal? I thought the goal was to flatten the curve.

 

they are EUA, which is approval, given the safety standards approved in EUA are the same for BLA,
Apparently you are the one who is unable to understand that if the safety levels were inferior to a BLA, they wouldn't give an EUA.

 

Your opinion is common to the cynic, and it doesn't rise above opinion.

As a general policy, I don't accept the cynical view and the cynical view is a distorted lens and thus your conclusions are suspect.

 

I wouldn't apply such a parochial view to such a large, complex entity. Parts of it I wouldn't trust, other parts, I would.

 

You are still far from correct. “Skepticism is the first step towards truth.”

 

So what you are saying is that our government is willingly allowing people to die because they cannot get off their fat ass and fully approve the vaccines.

It is either that or the government officials who must make that approval, are not fully convinced themselves.

 

I was just pointing out that about 99% of people who get covid 19 survive. If that number is incorrect I apologize.

 

Well I was pointing out about 99% of people who get covid 19 survive. If that number is incorrect I apologize.

Why did you ignore FAW's question?

 

Wrong, you are conflating 'cynicism' with 'skepticism'. Which you can, but only on one type of skepticism.

See, there are two types of skepticism;

1. Healthy skepticism, the kind those who are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to, cautious optimism, etc
2. kneejerk skepticism, the kind that cynics adhere to, where no one is good, everyone is in for themselves, all politicians, everyone is suspect, no matter who they are, are corrupt, etc.

So, "Skepticism is the first step towards truth" would have to the kind the healthy skeptic engages in.

Doubt is a similar thing. Doubt is not evil, not the debbie downer type of doubt, but the introspective, soul searching type, and the Renaissance, the aggregate flowering of human consciousness, the capacity to question old ideas, examine new, to self reflect, to think in new ways, to explore new ideas in the arts and sciences and philosophy, and lift the mass consciousness in the pursuit, the Renaissance began with doubt, or 'skepticism' as it were, but the healthy constructive type, most definitely NOT the kind practiced by cynics, so, I'll give you another truth:

"Cynicism is a hop and a skip from Nihilism".

Do you see the difference?

 

You did't say ''About''

Your exact words were; ''The virus has a 99% survival rate''

Frankly, I don't give a crap if the survival rate is 97, 98, 99, or 99.9%, as DeSantis put it; ''The name of the game is to keep people out of hospitals''

In referrence to my thread;

I need problem solvers; Math shows we've already surpassed 100% herd immunity

Here was my last Posting................. # 57

Due to the following experts.......

a. Some experts; We will never achieve herd immunity
b. Some experts; We've already achieved herd immunity
c. Some experts; It will become like the flu, however, still an all season virus, and more transmissable.
d. Some experts; We need to achieve 80% to 90% herd immunity

.......I came to the following conclusion; How many more hundred thousands can we keep out of hospitals?

How many millions will most likely not be hospitalized for covid19?

Approx. 75 million Children age 0 to 17
Approx. 175 million vaccinated Adults

75 + 175 = 250 million

Thus, forget herd immunity, and let's focus on how many more hundred thousands can we keep out of hospitals.

Herd immunity; Argumentative

 

Keep dancing, you’re still going to be wrong. These vaccines are not FDA approved.

 

It took two years for polio, longer for small pox. It took six months for covid. If you can't understand why that makes people nervous especially given that Dems were poopooing the very idea during the election and now after the election aren't willing to accept the same Dems 180 degree spin since we'll

 

Your statement is misleading and disingenuous, because you leave out aforementioned details.

Your intent is obviously to discourage people taking the vaccine.

Evidence of that fact is your omission of aforementioned details.

I'm not playing your word games. End of argument.

 

I’m stating the obvious l, which you can’t either grasp, or your motives are suspect.

me: when we were kids our vax were FDA approved, fact.
You: these vax are FDA approved, false.
Me: There’s a difference between EAU, and FDA approved. Fact
You: blah blah blah

 

Stop making it a big ass political deal.

All of the crying about people not doing what you want them to would just stop if you learn to mind your own business.

 

Most people might not even exhibit symptoms. So chances of needing an oxygen tank are extremely slim.

Scare tactics only work on the ill informed.

 

Don't trust the gubmint is a standard rightwing mantra that is ignorant as well as self centered.

 

Where in delta variant territory now, those stats are meaningless.