Why the Second Amendment needs to be amended or abolished

Totally false.

Why would that make a difference?

 

It "can" but such measures would involve taking away the rights of other Americans which they would never agree to

 

"We" don't.

You can't play the "what if" game. You can not justifiably infringe upon the rights of a person until they've acted or until they request it.

The key is to educate, educate, educate. Remove the stigma of mental illness. Where it fails is simply the cost of living in a free society.

 

Which makes as much sense as confiscating all cars because of drunken drivers.

We DO impose extensive restrictions on gun purchases right now. What's more the penalties are severe, and dealers are meticulous in keeping up and maintaining complete records. It would be both difficult and very risky to sell guns to unqualified buyers- and simply not worth the risk.

But we have people in the justice system handicapping the police, and putting the criminals back on the street.
No gun owner I know of has any problem with imposing severe penalties for the use of a gun in crime. Not one- except those in the congress and justice system, who seem more concerned with protecting criminals than citizens. And of course, on the left/gun control folks. They seem to think guns are the criminals, and criminals would just be good citizens if a gun wasn't handy.

 

Not at all.

 

I'm afraid that I don't think that it's either accurate or constructive to compare the US to the very different island nations (the UK) because they have so little in common geographically, politically, culturally and even in climate.

Please consider the following:


"The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries"
https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-...oped-countries

EXCERPT " Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan.

The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so. They never acknowledge that when factors beyond per capita GDP are considered, it makes little sense to claim Sweden should be compared to the US, but not Argentina." CONTINUED


In addition to the above, the UK doesn't border on Mexico or have the same immigration problems.
There are over 50 countries in the world that have far higher homicide rates and nothing like America's 2nd Amendment.
If draconian gun laws worked, they would work everywhere, not just in a few very different, cherry picked, smaller countries.

Thanks,

 

They don't seem to understand that they're telling us that strict laws work for countries that are mostly white people, but they don't work for countries that are mostly Black or brown people. It's an economic or cultural issue at that point.

 

Are they?
Can you link me a source for those 2,800 firearms related deaths in 2020?

 

Current administrative comrads of USA support the UN designs.
Not much doubt that maybe 10 million chinese soldiers are coming to dis-arm Americans for UN someday.
And, maybe we deserve it.

 

Guns don't kill people, so gun control is stupid.

What you need is people control.

Anyone age 13 or older illegally possessing a firearm does a minimum mandatory 25-to-Life.

Anyone age 13 or older illegally possessing a firearm during the commission of a crime does a minimum mandatory Life sentence.

That's how you stop the carnage.

The 6.2% of your population that commits 59.4% of all murders (see 2019 FBI UCR) commits those murders with unregistered unlicensed weapons, of which many were smuggled across the Mexican border, smuggled in along your coasts or stolen from law-abiding citizens.

Only a tiny percentage of murders are committed by the mentally ill and harping on the mentally ill poses a number of logical fallacies, even more so in light of the carnage that is taking place in urban areas that everyone pretends isn't happening.

You cannot simply screen out the mentally ill. That would violate the 14th Amendment. You have to give them Due Process in accordance with the 4th, 5th, 6th and 14th Amendments, and once their appeals are exhausted, only then can you bar them from having weapons.

Note that when Civil Protection Orders are issue, whether by a Common Pleas (same as Circuit, Superior and other courts), Municipal or Domestic Relations Courts, weapons are confiscated or barred, but they get their day in court to argue their case, and only then does it go into full effect.

 

Liberals need to put up or shut up. Please. Demand your politicians attempt to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Do this before the mid-term elections.

Carrying a loaded gun is my right and a right that is freely exercised by myself and others in most of the US.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/re...rry-licensurepermitting-policies/shall-issue/

 

You don't seem to understand that like liberal hero Mao said, "All power comes from the Barrel of a Gun."

And there is this quote to ponder which defines the purpose of a 2nd Amendment.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago

 

Absurd hyperbole bordering on delusion to claim on 1/6 our Government came close to being overthrown.

 

Riiiiiight! Start with a strawman and hope no one notices

 

"All power comes from the barrel of a gun" is hardly a strawman in a 2nd Amendment discussion. I understand that you cannot grasp the reality of this fact.

 

Now it is an Ad Hom


Want me to post the list of logical fallacies so you can post fail your way through it?

 

Do you even have a clue what a logical fallacy is?

Better read the reference yourself since you don't understand what a strawman is.

 

Do you Mr “Liberal Hero Mao”

 

I know the difference between an ad hominem attack and an ad hominem fallacy which you apparently do not.

 

Since it is difficult for some to understand the mention of liberal hero Mao in a gun control discussion -- A review of official CCP documents will find many orders banning private ownership of weapons before during and after its final victory in 1949.

"Inspecting for and Banning of Privately Owned Firearms, and Prohibiting the Unauthorized Wearing of Military Uniforms" (Council of People's Commissars April, 1933) Mao's Road to Power - Revolutionary Writings 1912-1949 Volume IV Rise and Fall of the Chinese Soviet 1931-1934, p377.

 

I do wish more people would call for the 2A to be repealed. They make a lot of noise about sensible gun laws, but they just don't seem to grasp that it can't happen as long as the 2A stands and is interpreted the way it has been so far.

 

Especially Democratic politicians. They should all run on a "Repeal the Second" platform.

 

Many of these people are so short-sighted they think that if the right gun isn't handy, the person bent on murder reforms and no longer wants to kill people.

 

A California mother died after being shot in front of 6-year-old daughter. Police think it could be a case of mistaken identity

(CNN)A California mother died after being shot in front of her 6-year-old daughter last week, in what authorities said could be a case of mistaken identity.

Jacqueline Flores, 25, was parked with her daughter in the backseat of her vehicle in Fresno on July 27 when she was shot in the head, according to a news release from Fresno County Police.

The release said Flores' daughter was in the car when her mother was shot.

... https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/us/california-mother-dies-mistaken-identity/index.html​

Only in America and war-torn **** holes...

Oh, but we can't inconvenience law-abiding gun fanatics with sensible gun laws! Nosiree!

 

What "sensible gun law" would have stopped this shooter?