Have Democrats abandoned the 'my body, my choice' argument?

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  1. CenterField

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    You're talking about the AstraZeneca. It is not approved here.
    Chance of a child dying, something like 0.01 to 0.02% if I'm not mistaken.
    Chance of blood clots with the J&J, 1 in 1 million.
    Chance of blood clots from the virus itself: up to 38% in some studies.
    Do you see a difference?
     
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    I wish it were possible to make the comparison between abortion and vaccine mandates without getting into all the arguments about Covid and the vaccine pros and cons.
     
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    80% of children who get a case of MIS-C from Covid-19 end up in the ICU.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, but the obvious question is what percent of those infected get MIS-C.
     
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    Oh it does. It's similar to the number of children killed by meningitis and by the flu, and we do vaccinate them against these diseases.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm equally concerned about chronic lifelong medical problems.

    In those cases, we vaccinate them more because of the health effects, not how many died.
     
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    Don't be ridiculous. We test for RSV routinely. When a child or an adult arrives to our EDs with an upper respiratory syndrome, we test for all 3, Covid-19, RSV, and the flu. In my hospital we've seen almost exclusively Covid-19. Not a single case of RSV. You got this banner of RSV now and you THINK you know what you're talking about but you don't. The size of the two outbreaks is just HUGELY different. Some localized pockets of RSV may exist, but we're seeing a nationwide spread surge of the Delta variant of the SARS-CoV-2, and here comes kazenatsu trying to obfuscate things talking about RSV when the latter is a tiny fraction of the Covid cases. Incredible. You reach lows that even knowing you, I wasn't expecting.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some of those hospitals in the South that are overwhelmed are due to RSV.
     
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    Oh, those are much worse for the virus itself than for the vaccine.
    We actually haven't seen long term problems so far, with the mRNA vaccines (granted that we have had them for less than one year). When there is trouble it tends to be within the first few weeks. But we have seen many cases of long Covid and many more of vital organ damage (lungs, hearts, pancreas, coagulation system, brains...). You are sorely mistaken if you think that death is the only problem with Covid-19.
     
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    Show me the data.
    I'm sure it will be from unreliable anti-vaxxer bogus sites, but show me data anyway. Let's see. Prove it.
     
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    Sorry but given your posting history I doubt that was a peer reviewed research study

    Link please
     
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    Something that is not so obvious and which we disagree about.

    A debate for another thread.
     
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    I actually did have a link in another thread before a mod deleted it.

    Which tells me something.

    (although to be fair, it is very rare for a mod in this forum to delete something like that)
     
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    The Germans and the Danish were focusing on the AstraZeneca stats. They were the ones leading the research on the thrombocytopenic thrombotic syndromes linked to the AZ shot. I do seem to believe that the frequency was something like he mentioned. But again, this is entirely irrelevant to the US since we fortunately did not approve the AZ shot here.
     
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    I'm done arguing about the vaccine and the virus in this thread.
    That was not the original point.
     
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    LOL, you disagree about that? Based on what? Your opinion? I base my understanding of this FACT on studies showing for example cardiac MRI evidence, troponin, and other inflammatory markers going up in 30% of healthy college athletes who survived even asymptomatic and mild cases of Covid... but nooooooo, kazenatsu disagrees... LOL.
    You are not qualified to disagree with me.
     
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    Well, you're taking such a beating, I don't blame you for quitting. God riddance.
     
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    Challenging moderator action is a no-no. Someone will report you.

    By the way, I fully support a moderator deleting the lies and misinformation you post, because they can potentially kill people if someone reads you and believes in the crap you post.
     
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    Ooops! Sorry! Was thinking of mortality not incidence

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/atag...-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-17-june-2021


    Age Estimated risk of TTS per 100,000
    AstraZeneca vaccine doses (first dose)

    <50 years

    3.1

    50-59 years

    2.7

    60-69 years

    1.4

    70-79 years

    1.8

    80+ years

    1.9
    https://www.health.gov.au/news/atag...-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-17-june-2021
     
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    LOL, you were the original poster... and in your original post, we find this:
    "Tucker made the point that, when it comes to vaccines, they seem to have abandoned the 'my body, my choice' argument."
    But now, losing the argument, you pretend that vaccines were off-topic. Gotcha.
     
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    @Bowerbird it seems like we chased kazenatsu out of his own thread LOL
    He quit, pretending that vaccines were off-topic here, despite the fact that he introduced vaccines in his own original post. Too funny!

    Anyway, it's getting late here (12:40 AM) so I'm going to bed. It's day in Australia... Good day!
     
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    Thanks mate!
     
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    Sorry, that's just a specificity fallacy.

    Just like many pro-choicers think it's perfectly fine and acceptable to bring up something totally off-topic in one of these threads just because it happens to fall under the category of abortion.

    Hopefully this doesn't require further explanation on my part to explain to you.
     
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    not sure where you got that, can you point out the part of my comment you thought said that
     
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    “another anti-vaxxer has passed, sad, so preventable.”

    If he had been vaccinated he wouldn’t have died?
     
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