Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

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    Not possible. There is nothing in the Constitution, nothing in the UCMJ, and nothing in Civil Law that contains a "get out of jail free card" for a high ranking military official circumventing the civilian oversight of the military if they think POTUS is nuts. NOTHING. Should this ever be investigated, should it ever go to a Courts Martial, the jury won't be given instructions that they can find the defendant not guilty if they find that his concerns were justified.

    Good intentions, however legitimate they may feel, is not a justification for Treason. Even if you sympathize with the person who (allegedly) committed it.
     
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    When a subordinate to the President - which Milley was and is - takes a huge step out on a limb exceeding his authority the way he did he will be judged either a hero or a goat by whether this actions turn out to have been justified. So far the evidence is that his actions were NOT justified. Punishment should be sevewre.
     
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    Another off the wall off topic post. How sad.
     
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    And Milley violated them.
     
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    Well, how about that. Pigs must be flying somewhere, for you just said the first thing ever, that I happen to agree with. But likely not for the same reasons.

    You seem to think that Milley is flat out not guilty, or if he is, "the ends justify the means" so to speak, meaning it's OK to commit Treason if your reasons for doing so are good enough, even though there is absolutely no foundation for that to be found in law anywhere.

    But I think the reason he'll never be arrested, charged, or even so much as investigated is because Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and Schumer are running the show, and at best they're ambivalent and just don't care, or at worst they're on board with your illegal "the ends justify the means" idea. Or, they are just putting Party above Country, as usual, and refusing to do anything simply because Trump had an (R) by his name.

    In any event, I have very serious doubts these allegations will ever so much as be investigated mostly because the Left, especially the hardcore Left, fundamentally hates the USA, and everything it stands for (stood for?) and if it takes Treason to impose their will, well, they simply couldn't care less.

    Yes. In this case, a Military Coup. And an insidious, hidden one that nobody but he and a few co-conspirators even knew about. He rendered the President's ability to order a nuclear strike moot, and told our enemy about it. If (I feel like I'm saying that a lot) the allegations are true, we should count ourselves as lucky then didn't attempt a first strike of their own, because they knew that for some period of time, the USA's ability to launch a retaliatory strike was nil. Meaning, frankly, we're all lucky to still be alive. I'm quite sure that some members of whatever the Chicom's highest political/military authority is called lobbied for exactly such a thing.

    We are lucky they lost that internal debate.

    The only thing I'm concerned about with regard to any potential testimony is that it be the truth. If certain members of the Military or the Congress thought such a thing, oh, well. That still does not justify Treason. As I've written so repeatedly it's a wonder my fingers aren't bleeding, we have in place a way to deal with that situation legally, known as the 25th Amendment. If all those people were all that concerned, rather than justifying and/or assisting Milley with his (alleged) Treason, they should have been melting the phone lines talking to Cheney and insisting he initiate action under that.

    But that they did not do. Which perhaps indicates that all of this is bullshit from the word go, as I've repeatedly stated my hopes for.
     
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    You are so partisan that your ability to evaluate Trumps mental instability is utterly gone. We must start with that first. The Fact is that when you have a crazy f'd up president it reverberates throughout his administration. You are not in a place where you can evaluate how screwed up Trump was especially as he realized he would lose by 7 million votes. I guess you're upset with the fact that the guy you once supported whole heartily turned out to be sick and unstable. When the guy at the top is totally F'd then the whole organization is shaky and unstable. . . Many of Trump's GeneralsThe clash between Trump and his generals (militarytimes.com) before they exited his administration have called him nuts or moronic in one way or the other and many who tried to provide sanity to his administration left disgusted. The fact that you see Trump running around the country claiming he is the legitimate president without complaint on your part shows your own contempt for our Democratic values. Milley was a victim of a sick unstable Trump and a sick unstable administration. Unlike you I am willing to wait for a legal ruling on what he did or didn't do. Unlike you I am upset by Trump claiming to his millions of followers that he is the true legitamate president but your utter lack of concern to the peril this gives to our country shows no respect and no concern for our democratic way of life.
     
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    good thing he did not do that
     
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    Milley is a Woke Clown

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    Thought he was a General. Thinks he's still a President.
     
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    He was appointed by a President who never made mistakes.

    So Milley was one of the best people.
     
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    . Milley has not been legaly charged with treason or any crime. And in your raging Parnoia you speculate that the current administration might not charge Milley with a crime even if he was guilty of one. So without any legal judgment you are leaping ahead to a guilty general who won't recieve his of due punishment. All the facts have not come out and you are already in a bleak never never land scenario. How second rate. There is one fact for sure. Trump is a raging psycho who is telling his millions of followers that he is the legegitmate president dividing the nation in ways we've never seen in our history. The fact that you don't complain about this outrage tells me your fears and concerns are misplaced. You can't tell real peril from fantasy. The 25th ammendment doesn't work when an entire administration is suffering from the same instabliliy and paranoia that appears from the top down. Your faith in the proper use of that ammendment is misplaced and you are strictly an amature to have faith in that amendment. Pence should have used it when Trump suggested that he must use his power to stop the Senate from certifying the election. Pence was purly a coward. Let me know when you touch down to planet earth.
     
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    Considering the source, that's where every sane person laughs and quits reading whatever ridiculous rant came afterwards. :roflol:
     
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    YOUR biggest *LOSER* had made himself DOMESTIC ENEMY #1 so Gen Milley was UPHOLDING his Oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States".
     
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    Well that's a mystery, but you cling to it. Have no clue what you're referring to.
     
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    I get it ... Like the Trial of Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.Still on hold.
    Or the way Deserter Bowe Bergdahl was paid while his trial
    was awaiting.Then his punishment. a $1,ooo per month fine
    for 10 months.Then reduction in rank.
    Or how Muslim Infiltrator Army Major Nidal Hassan's act
    { Killing 13 and wounding more than 30 } was by Order of Obama
    and Holder Not to Mentioned as Islamic Terror.Or Islamic Domestic
    Terrorism.I guess in their less than lucid minds the guy did it to
    highlight the importance of Islam.
    For context what was the " probable cause " behind an entire summer
    of Protests.Where over 26 died { including cops } and streets,bldgs. and\
    vehicles set ablaze.The Probably Cause was a sick puppy narrative
    { George Floyds death }. The guy was loaded to the gills with Fentanyl.
    His health was compromised.
    What is the latest justification or " probable cause " for ensuring
    any January 6th Insurrectionist who got arrested { not before launching
    a nationwide manhunt } and many remain in solitary confinement,with
    absolutely No bail or Counsel permitted.
    While a summer of Violent Protestors get bailed out within hours.
    What are americans supposed to think.That this just some anomaly.
    Hey Pally this ain't the Movie - I Was a Fugitive from a Chain Gang - {1932}
    Watch it ya might learn't a thing er two_Or Twee.
     
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    That sounds like how members of Castro's regime would talk at dinner.
    In fact,I insist.
     
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    FASCINATING that YOU have INTIMATE knowledge of Castro regime members dinner conversation.

    Were YOU a PARTICIPANT or were you just SERVING the meal instead?

    Asking for a friend... ;)
     
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    I know what I know and what I need to know ... Pally.
    Like you know from Fidel Castro.He was brought-up by
    Jesuits as a Catholic.No finer example of a Fallen Catholic
    than Fidel.Irony at it's peak.The Jesuits have a storied history as being
    the most determined and bravest of all type Catholics ... thar Bub.
     
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    Since all's fair in Love and War ... I guess it's also fair to say that
    Milley needs to lose about a quarter ton of beefcake fat.Especially
    the loose fat hanging off his jowls.
     
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    Too embarrassed to say HOW you "know", pally?

    :roflol:

    Hitler was also raised as a devout Catholic. He was awarded a medal for bravery in WW1. What does any of that have to do with YOUR insider "knowledge" of those dinner conversations?
     
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    Military personnel take that oath, too.
     
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    " The just won't be given instructions " eh.Did that apply to the persecution
    of January 6th Protestors Incessantly termed " Insurrectionists ".
    By the way how is an Insurrectionist defined.There was not one firearm
    collected.The only person Shot { or Murdered } was a Female vet and
    Maga supporter acting on some QAnon tip.There was no warning before her
    death { STOP or I'll shoot }. Yet this Capitol Cops name was forbidden.
    In law that is never done.But then this is Lying,cheating Democrats that we're
    dealing with.Who also Insisted that the Quid Pro Quo Ukrainian Phone call
    { The basis for Trump's Impeachment } was Whistleblown by a Whistleblower
    { Obama holdover } whose name was also Denied { Not released }.
    So what's to stop a Pack of Lying cheats insist Old Slow Crooked Joe
    just up and insert his two cents and Demand his version of Frontier Justice.
    Which could mean anything.Like it's ok to chew baseball Bubble gum
    and make popping sounds during the Trial.
    Again ... we're not dealing with lucid,sane,honorable Americans here.
     
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    that is who I was talking about
     
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    By calling his high-ranking counterpart in CHINA -- a nation that has taken adversarial positions against the United States for decades -- and revealing highly-sensitive information about what we would, or would not do in any military scenario?!

    Honestly, Te, how in hell is doing anything like THAT defending the Constitution or anything else that is vital to THIS country -- the United States of America?
     
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    What "highly sensitive information" would that be, Cy?

    REASSURING someone that WE would NOT initiate a 1st strike nuclear attack?

    Isn't that what we have SIGNED up for in all of the TREATIES that are PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE?

    How exactly does that amount to "highly sensitive information"?
     

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