New York Businesses Ordered to Require Masks Indoors or Vaccine Proof

New York Businesses Ordered to Require Masks Indoors or Vaccine Proof

Well, the mask requirements are back in effect, starting Monday, in my home state of New York. I guess it's time to start purchasing face masks and hand sanitizer again. This is going to be rough and require some getting used to again. At least it's not as bad this time around, they didn't shut down a whole lot of businesses... yet...

 

Not hard to figure out why NY growth rate is one of the lowest in the nation.

 

Its so sad Americans have to be discomforted by basic hygiene in a pandemic!
Its cruelty!

 

I actually think this is likely constitutional. I don’t agree with it but it probably is constitutional. The constitution actually leaves a lot of power to the state.

 

Parents like me are fed up with incongruous Democratic policies aimed at our kids (msn.com)

Here's something I read what do you think?

 

It is.

 

Welcome to fascism!

 

I think homeschooling rates will continue to surge.

 

It needs to be resisted by the people within the Socialist Oligarchy of the Territory of New York (SOTNY). A good first step is practicing the peaceful activity of civil disobedience. A people cannot simply comply their way out of tyranny.

 

Medical tyranny is not hygiene.

 

Is it any wonder we continue to see repeated spikes in cities/states across the country? Many other countries have not dropped the mask requirement in indoor public places and require vaccination proof to eat at restaurants. We don't hear the whining and complaining, and we don't see similar spikes to ours. Its inconvenient to wear a mask - I hate it as much as anyone else. But I also want this thing behind us - and when I say behind us, I mean I want to see the hospitals no longer overwhelmed and people not dying from something that can be avoided.

 

Honestly my biggest complaint (as a NYer) is that we removed the mask mandates. KEEP THEM GOING! We have thousands of people dying every day from the pandemic. Until the pandemic has fully subsided I want to make sure the masks stay on. Honestly my biggest policy change I want is to reorient our economy around the pandemic, and ensuring lots of safeguards are in place until such a time as the pandemic recedes (if it ever does).

 

Where ? In red states where your business has to admit maskless infected people because mask mandates are prohibited ?

I agree ! Seig Heil Trump and his followers !

 

Yeah! Prohibition of an invasive rule is fascism.
Just like silence is violence, while looting is not.
The ground is blue and the sky is brown.

 

What invasive rule ? Nobody is having their privacy invaded. No one is having property taken away. No one is being subject to an undue burden.

You cons can cry all you want, you're just making yourself look petty.

 

You are calling a ban on invasive rule fascism and now you are saying everyone must just toughen it up?
You are defending authoritarianism! Just because you are ok with it, doesn’t mean everyone is and you have no legal or moral right to tell them what to do. You toughen it up and mind your own business!

 

Examples of "being forced to wear a 50 cent mouth spit mask" are a poor example of "tyranny".

It is, in fact, a joke from silly season from the Right.

A much better example of this kind of "tyranny" is the legal requirement that women need to cover the chest with a similar scrap of coverage, a law not mandated for men's chest covering.

 

Since it's not an intrusive rule, your objection is dismissed and your entire argument collapses.
I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm just agreeing with mandates issues by competent, elected and appointed authority.

As for fascism, you went there first. I'm merely applying your definition to the situation at hand.

 

I guess your don’t understand what authoritarianism and fascism is.
Happens a lot to progressives, who bend the definition of every word to fit their narrative, even if that definition is direct opposite of its original meaning.

 

I guess you can't define what authoritarianism and fascism is.
Happens to a lot of conservatives, who use words they don't understand to try and justify their narrative, even when it is contrary to the facts.

 

It does impose a burden.
Not only do you need to buy a mask, you need to use it properly - wear one for only a couple of hours per day and then replace with a fresh one + there are rules on how to take it off.
Masks also interfere with our interpersonal communication, which seriously impacts children and those who are deaf.
Masks in hot or humid climates also make it difficult to breathe and stay cool.
Lastly - each individual has autonomy, which must be respected. If masks really did have an impact then New York would probably do better in terms of death toll compared to states that don’t have any mask mandates, like Florida, but it’s not what we observe. So, a mask these days is pretty much the tool that displays obedience, as it serves no other real purpose.

 

Yet again, you are stating opinion in re "tool that displays obedience". There is plenty of peer reviewed evidence that mask wearing mitigates spread. If you want to dispute that, be my guest, but this evidence has been accepted by local, state and federal government and is considered factual for the purposes of governing. If Florida's government does not want to act on these facts and New York does, that is at their discretion.

As for your objections to mask use, they are all minor when compared to the consequences of spreading infection and/or suffering the consequences of living through an infection or even dying as a consequence of one.

To return to the "autonomy" you want respected. Your autonomy ends where mine begins. You do not have the right to place a burden on the health system when there is an effective alternative available. I had half-joked that health insurance claims for the un-vaccinated should be denied if they were offered the vaccine and refused. Now, this is an actual possibility for people on Medicare.

 

What countries are not experiencing spikes in infection due to mask usage?

 

You progs love to let the government run your life for you

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article256659402.html
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/count...d-19-death-rates-global-study-finds-1.5711916
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200624082657.htm