Let's put the voter ID fight in pause

And despite all that; my point still stands.

If Trump or someone like him ran and lost amd then claimed china manufactured and transported fake voter Id's to the DNC, probably 90 to 95 percent of the people who believe voter fraud changed the election today, would believe it.

That isn't a dig. It is the hard reality.

 

Just because you say you aren't arguing in absurd hypotheticals doesn't make it so. The fact remains: we don't have nationwide voter ID, so the point is moot.

Additionally, your hypothetical does not hold water. Democrats, not Republicans, since 2000, typically do not believe in the election results. In 2000, Democrats said that the Supreme Court gave Bush the presidency. In 2004, Democrats said Deibold machines gave Bush the presidency. In 2016, the Democrats said Russians gave the presidency to Trump.

 

I know what you're referring to. Sorry but that was put there precisely to be a back up in case there was legitimate cause to suspect that votes were tampered with. If votes are being tampered with, either by including fraudulent votes, "missing" votes, or whatever that can cause voting totals to be suspect then whoever is doing such is already trying to overturn the legitimate process and nullifying legitimate votes.

Instead of getting rid of the back up why not try and make the election process more secure? But Democrats don't want that. They want it as open as possible. They fight tooth and nail against ANY sort of election security. Why is that? Even the so called "For the People Act" does nothing but make it harder to secure election results. Bypassing ID laws by allowing people to not have to provide an ID by using a "signed letter" is just one example. So, why do Democrats fight securing the elections? Every time they fight they always bring up race. As if black people can't do the same things that white people do. IE: plan ahead, get ID's. etc etc.

 

Why won't they get paid?

 

I don't understand this. How can they both have abandoned ideology AND see it as a way to remain in power?

For many of them, Trump has spun a completely fabricated conspiracy theory and they accept that, without question. It's really bizarre because there is all kinds of evidence of racism and/or sexism and/or homophobia but they pretend that it's all made up.

So, basically proof, or lack thereof, means nothing in any direction.

And, with that, they aren't particularly interested in the Constitution or laws. The genuinely want him reseated and remain seated for the rest of his life.

Maybe they should start working together to leave to build their own country where only those that look, love and worship like them are welcome.

 

Free medical care.

 

Yep, paid by the govt, so it's free for the patient. So again why won't they get paid?

 

So that foreign nationals are not attempting to vote.

 

Why would they not get paid?

 

Then it is not free.

 

I wasn't debating what was. I was debating what you are advocating for.

False equivelencies. Different thread. Create and enjoy.

 

All rational people are anti democracy. Democracy as Democrats define it is merely a vote on who will be robbed next.

 

How do democrats define democracy?

 

Thievery by government, both of rights and money...

 

Yep, paid by the govt, so it's free for the patient. So again why won't they get paid?

 

They won't get paid if its free. It is not free. It is paid by me and the other millions who pay taxes.

 

You are debating what I am advocating for with absurd hypotheticals. You are essentially attacking a strawman.

How is it a false equivalency? Historically, since 2000, large swathes of Democrats don't believe the outcome of the presidential election, if the Democrat doesn't win. That's just a fact. The point of this fact is that your absurd hypotheticals about Republicans not believing in the outcome of elections are essentially baseless, historically speaking. It would make more sense to say that we could let anyone vote, but if a Republican wins, Democrats will still question the result, because, historically speaking, you all do, when the election does not go your way.

 

Yep, paid by the govt, so it's free for the patient. So again why won't they get paid?

 

I explained and I expect you understood.

 

And its STILL FREE FOR THE PATIENT

 

Dog crap is free for anyone that has a dog. Doesn't mean that they want it.

 

Golem did not say free for the patient. Golem said free basic medical care. It is only free if no one charges for it. if no one charges for it, no one gets paid.

Golem very casually added another unpaid obligation for the US government when at this time we are running up a national debt which we soon no longer be able to pay the interest on. And don't say I didn't complain about Trump, because I did.

Is that simple enough for you?

 

Which means paid by the govt.

 

All the while disregarding it adds to the national debt which all comes out of taxpayers pocket. There is no such thing as "paid for by the government" without understanding that means all of us taxpayers.

 

Nope, it means its something worth spending taxpayer money on.