The Covid Shot-Can You Handle The Truth?

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  1. Condor060

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    UP FRONT DISCLAIMER
    This is not an attempt to discount the value of getting the Covid shot and if you have immunity variables that make you susceptible to Covid, getting the Covid shot is still the best alternative if you have never been infected.

    The following information is showing the know discrepancies between actual facts we now know and what is being reported by the US Government.

    Active Reported Cases by the US Government
    1.
    How is it even mathematically possible for the population of the US (4% of the worlds population) to have 30% of the worlds population in active cases?
    Its not.
    Viruses don't work that way. It isn't possible for a variable to be that far off track. Are you going to claim every country on the planet is lying except the US? This is a global conspiracy against the US?
    By under reporting your countries infection numbers you loose global support for vaccines. Why would any country knowingly do that?
    They wouldn't and you can think of no excuse as to why they would.

    You know how its evident that the US is inflating numbers? Because you can take averages from reports generated daily from 224 countries and get close approximations on virus counts. When you include any countries of your choosing to a similar population of the US you find less than 1 million active cases in similar populations globally.

    How is it possible that the US is off by more than 12 million in the same population counts. And I am being VERY generous in those numbers.

    2. How is it possible that the worlds average on Covid death counts per million population of over 7 billion is 699 per million population but the US with 333 million is 2536 per million? Not to mention that the 699 per million is skewed because it includes the ridiculous US numbers

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Vaccine claims
    How do you claim the Covid shot is a vaccine when its nothing more than gene therapy?
    1. Can you be immunized from Covid
    Nope
    2. If you get the shot does it stop you from getting Covid
    Nope
    3. If you get the shot does it stop you from infecting others with Covid
    Nope
    4. If you don't get the boosters every 6 months does the CDC consider you vaccinated
    Nope

    Calling the Covid shot a vaccine is like calling the flu shot a vaccine. All it does is give your body a heads up on anti body production, just like the flu shot.
    It isn't a vaccine, never was a vaccine. Its gene therapy.
    And we have all seen the different government claims about how this so called vaccine protects you dwindle over the first year of its origination from an immunization to helping you cope with Covid.

    Previous Infected vs the Covid shot
    We now know the truth between previous infected and the Covid shot rates of immunity now, yet the US government REFUSES to acknowledge the facts.
    Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than any available Covid shot

    And before anyone chimes in with per reviewed media tripe, you can't per review a death, an infection, or any other absolute. Per reviewed is for observations or opinions and for some reason has been sold among the left as the new way to discount everything they don't agree with. What it really means is they have no way to dispute something so this has become the new default.

    In TWO current global studies (John Hopkins and the LARGEST real world study TO DATE) we have confirmed findings on pre infected vs the Covid shot.

    John Hopkins study
    In COVID-19 Vaccinated People, Those with Prior Infection Likely to Have More Antibodies
    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/new...rior-infection-likely-to-have-more-antibodies

    Largest real world study
    Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than any available Covid shot
    https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

    The study, conducted in one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world, examined medical records of tens of thousands of Israelis, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2

    The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine

    The study demonstrates the power of the human immune system, but infectious disease experts emphasized that the Covid shots and others for COVID-19 nonetheless remain highly protective against severe disease and death.

    1. Found in both studies that never-infected people who were vaccinated were six to 13 times more likely to get reinfected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected.

    2. The risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated than unvaccinated people who were previously infected.

    3. The risk of hospitalization was eight times higher among the vaccinated than unvaccinated people who were previously infected.

    So whats the point?

    Why is the US not recognizing the previously infected who have greater immunity than those who received the shot and labeling them as unvaccinated?

    Why is the US IGNORING the immunity of the previously infected?

    Why are the US reported numbers on deaths and infection rates so ridiculously far off to be considered obviously wildly inaccurate?

    Why is this Covid shot being pushed as a vaccine, when it isn't even close to having any immunization qualities recognized in ANY previous vaccines?

    And we are all supposed to just kneel at the US government alter and take what they are dishing out as fact when we have conclusive results that show we aren't being told the truth?
     
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    Most on the left won't ask questions either. They will do as commanded then attack others who won't blindly follow them.
     
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    Most on the left don’t fall for such silly conspiracy theories either. Please remeber PF does not allow disinformation and your thread is full of it.
     
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    Most on the left have already been suckered into believing anything the media tells them to believe.

    Since my post is stated from actual studies by John Hopkins and World Meter, you can feel free to dispute something. (If you think you can)

    Until then just claiming its misinformation doesn't mean much
     
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    LOL. The truth according to Condor060 HAHAHAHAHA
     
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    LOL what do you disagree with? Seems to me that Condor posed some interesting questions.
    It should be a board violation to accuse someone of "misinformation" and not post a reason for stating such.
    It's actually kind of funny, Condor must have struck a nerve with the media true believers a they were compelled to respond with sneers but could not post ANYTHING to back it up. Sad really.
     
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    He has his opinion and I have mine.
     
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    Anyone with a sense of logic would be able to tell you why your cut and paste is nonsense. To start off with, only those countries that can afford to constantly test would be able to report actual numbers. There is no conspiracy to attack the US

    And so what if the previously infected have better immunity, true or otherwise? Are you suggesting that everyone should go out and get deliberately infected?

    And why do you care if it's called a vaccine or a therapeutic drug?

    And no country keeps records of "active cases"
     
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    There are a number of vaccines require re-vaccination and boosters to maintain protection or reduced infection.

    The inaccurate, simple-minded and fraudulent anti-vaxx excuses to keep illness and death rates going and boost nutcase "cures" from quacks are what needs questions!
     
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    cases just mean that is where the virus is at, more testing, more cases

    the key part to take note of is that a vaccinated person is way less likely to go to the hospital or die when they are exposed to the virus

    the vaccine tries to teach your body to fight off the virus when you DO get it, nothing else - it's not a condom

    the vaccine does not fight the virus, the vaccine trains your immune system to fight the virus, so when you do get the virus, how well you fight it is up to your own immune system
     
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    if one thought the polio vaccine prevented them from getting the Polio virus, they were wrong

    think about what a vaccine does.... it trains your immune system to fight the virus when you DO get it - a strong immune system will do better than a compromised immune system for sure though, as that is what will be fighting the virus, not the vaccine
     
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    A vaccine is supposed to confirm immunity, hence vaccination is generally used interchangeably with immunization. What we have right now is a non-negligible number of vaccinated who are getting the disease against which they're supposed to be vaccinated.
     
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    Yeah.....you're supposed to get a tetanus booster every 10 years. Flu shots are yearly because they're for different strains of the virus. Show me another vaccination, or any form inoculation, in the past 100 years where a person receives three treatments and still gets sick.
     
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    Turns out we are boostering tetanus unnecessarily. With full childhood vaccination protection is lifelong.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200225075120.htm

    From the actual study.
    https://academic.oup.com/cid/article-abstract/72/2/285/5741633?redirectedFrom=fulltext

    Any bets on when we will see the $1 billion annual cost savings? :)
     
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    the vaccine only trains your immune system to attack the virus, nothing more, it's still up to your immune system to do the fighting once trained
     
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    Sorry, what ever your sense of logic is, it doesn't count. Actual studies do count. And the fact that you are trying to suggest that every country in the world (other than the US) can't afford to test is just ridiculous.
    Which is all you really have. Ridiculous opinion.

    Great, since nobody but you mentioned it, I'll try and include that in my next post.

    Nope, which means you didn't even read to opening disclosure.
    Typical

    Because lying about what it is gives lefties a false sense of security.

    Right, so the CDC and Worldmeter are all lying because you say so
    Got it
     
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    The truth according to John Hopkins. Was the information that confusing for you?
     
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    I provided you with the actual studies.
    You provided nothing but media tripe.
    Care to try again?
     
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    Really, Name them

    Definition
    You can't dispute the data provided so you turned to media tripe to argue your point.
     
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    Which means it isn't a vaccine. Its gene therapy, just like a flu shot.
     
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    Oh dear. You cannot even follow simple logic! No one said every country can't afford to test. The US is 18th in the list for cases per million
    Lol. You copy and pasted the question in the OP.
    Why do you care?
    Lol you think that 25% of the 55M in the US who caught the virus in the last two years have still not recovered!
     
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    ~ This reminds me I am 56 years late for my polio "booster " ... :eyepopping: !

    ~ The masks we wear are like condoms ... :w00t:
     
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    Most people are willing to get a flu shot every year, and some people still get the flu.
     

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