Who and What are the 'OATH KEEPERS'?

Answer honestly.... do you know where these Oath keepers are in your area?

 

How many infiltrators do you think the FBI has sent into the group over their existence?

How many members are in the group and what percentage of offenses does it represent as a whole to the group?

 

Oh my God! I think that fellow in the trailer over on the next block might be one.

By golly, he even has a flagpole with the American flag on top and a prisoner of war flag then he's got a Confederate flag!!!

No doubt he's one of them there right-wing extremist! I should ask the fellow if he wants to come over for a beer!

 

I agree with you as I was also drafted into the Army in 1970, and believe me having gone through that entire lifestyle as a military man transformed my life in every positive way possible. Tell me, if the draft was to be reinstated, do you think it would be a good idea to draft women since these days there seems to be a lot more women having a larger set of balls and fortitude them many of the young Marxist indoctrinated/anti military men of today.

 

Does he seem like a guy who would gas up the 89' Toyota and head off to Washington with the intent to beat the windows out of the capitol building? I don't know anyone with that mentality, democrat or republican, left or right....

 

No, they are all accurate accountings of what described the Oath Keepers on Jan 6th. Learn to accept the truth. You could start by telling us how the Jan 6th riot constitutes an insurrection.

 

Sorry- but that's a definition that's not realistic.
Patriotism is love of country. Recognition of the people and their rights, appreciation for the sacrifices and contributions of those who got us this far, of considering the good of the nation and people in your actions, understanding that we are the caretakers for the moment and should hand off the nation to the next generation in sound condition- and better than it was when given to us.

People take care of things they have worked for, things they love. They understand things aren't perfect, and seek to improve them- but never throw the baby out with the bath water because someone one is unhappy over not getting what they think they deserve for being a citizen. Like all people individually- America is a work in progress. If you hate that work, you are damn sure not a patriot, and not likely to be respected by those who are. . Even less when you attack them for caring and wanting the best for the nation and it's people.

 

Yet had you told me that Democrats would support and defend 578 riots that murdered dozens of Americans, injured thousands of law enforcement, destroyed billions in American businesses, took over the city of Seattle, bailed out rioters so they could continue, attacked the White House, attacked the SCOTUS, while Democrat representatives publicly encouraged more of it, I would have believed you.

 

I couldn't agree more. A great institution to help young men mature.

 

OMG, all of the lies and attempted coup on Trump is simply avoided by you, and now you keep going on with this continuous leftist narrative that Trump is some kind of criminal. You're living in a fantasy land filled with anti American propaganda being your ideological platform.

 

Yeah, we all know what contempt the left has for our military, but I'm glad to have provided a post that exposes their contempt even more.

 

And if you were there in those times, you wouldn't either so you can stop with all the rhetoric.

 

No he really doesn't. But actually one of the indicted oath keepers, hails from about 35 miles to the south of me in punta Gorda.

 

Seems you have different opinions depending on which post you're responding too.

 

OK.
Is patriotism something citizens of a nation should be obliged to feel?
If they don't, are there sanctions for not feeling patriotic?

 

I personally know some militia members. Not something I would join but to each their own

 

I had considered joining the sons of Confederate veterans.

More of a historical organization to honor our heritage than a militia but I'm sure that the brotherhood's formed with that organization would surely do what is needed if the time came

 

And with his expressed extreme position on forced vaccination I would be careful casting Stones if I were him.

 

I would agree with drafting some women. I don't believe women belong in the areas of war making. But they certainly belong in support roles. I would have no problem drafting some for service in those areas.

 

He's what you would call a convenient poster. He post what ever is convenient at the time.

 

You can't make anyone feel values like that, legally or socially. Not feeling patriotic does not have formal sanctions, but it earns you the disrespect of the people you disrespect for having good values- and it should. You have the right to be a whiner who contributes nothing and appreciates nothing. You don't have the right to genuine respect; that is something you earn- just as genuine disrespect is.

Every society has people who contribute and improve it, and people who live off others like parasites and appreciate nothing. What you choose to be is up to you.

JFK said it well- "Ask not what your country can do for you...Ask what you can do for your country". That is indeed what patriots do- and do it out of love and appreciation..
When you improve your country- everyone benefits- including you. When you abuse the rights of citizenship to get what you can but contribute as little as possible.... Everyone loses, including you.
A wise man sees that; a fool does not.

A lot has to do with maturity in thinking. If you fail to grow into a responsible adult, you will not understand.

 

The ones I know are pretty organized. They have money too. They can rent out an arena for a rally. They have training programs as well. I think this is likely why the government says that right wing extremism is more worrisome than left wing. They’re literally armed, organized, trained and have finances.

The left wing just has mad individuals that sometimes form a collective group of untrained people holding bricks and Molotov cocktails.

I can’t say I disagree with these militias though. The one in my state was created after BLM started burning cities and police stations. Their whole existence was a reaction to the fear that the mentality of BLM extremists would come to our state.

 

Bear in mind, the oathkeepers and militias are not the same at all

 

I can think of plenty of positive ways a person can contribute to the society they live amongst.
Not parasites in the least. Indeed a person demonstrating 'good values'.
That is not the same thing as patriotism, and not feeling patriotic does not mean a person is a whiner either.
If it means a person, situated in a place because of their accident of birth, is to be 'disrespected' because they don't feel patriotic, then how does that disrespect manifest itself?

 

That's not a socially dictated punishment- it's the approval or disapproval of your position by your peers. Same kind of thing that might apply to your drinking habits, to people who are poor parents and spouses, who take jobs and checks but don't feel obligated to work. Situated by your place of birth has nothing to do with it. The people who raise you however might have a lot to do with that attitude, but IF you learn to think for yourself and be independent, you should eventually understand that society is us, and the nation is us- and when we make ourselves better people, we make the nation a better place.

Recently, a young couple moved in next door to me. late 20's, three very good kids, hard workers building a life and a happy family. Not a flag on their house and they don't make any point of saying they are patriots, but they both are, even if they don't think of themselves that way- because they are making their modest little part of America work, keeping it healthy. They take pride in who they are, their home, the way they live. They are solidly focused on the future, especially for their children. Anytime I see that, it's like a restoration of faith in the future- and I want to applaud. If we all could behave that way, just imagine the quality of life we could achieve.