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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every state joined the Union with the understanding that the EC would be used instead of a straight popular vote. Some refused to join without it, but all could make the claim that it was a guarantee upon their application for statehood. Get rid of the EC and void the social contract between stategovs and fedgov, undermining all other aspects of obligations between the two, including potentially secession.

    ...which might not be the worst thing in the word. States really should start exerting more autonomy and sovereignty, and there's an argument to be made for splitting the nation up. I don't really support doing so, yet, but it would certainly be preferable to having big war (which is a likely result if the 51% are allowed to push the 49% too far).

    But just be warned- what you're advocating for here is a breach of contract between fedgov and the states. And when one side breaches a contract, the other side is no longer beholden to that contract. This is recognized common law by every society and culture in history.
     
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  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I've revised my position, I think if we just get rid of 'winner takes all' that would contribute greatly to fairness.

    That wouldn't violate the constitution.
     
  3. independentthinker

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    LOL. Back on this kick again? You do realize that this is nothing but fantasy, don't you? Talk about it all you want. Spend all of your time being an activist for the cause. You will achieve nothing.
     
  4. Pollycy

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    Well, then AMEND THE FUGGING CONSTITUTION! You on the hyperliberal Left are such self-proclaimed experts on everything having to do with government, so surely you know how to do something so straightforward as THAT... right? :wall:
     
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    Wow, that sounds trans-phobic.
     
  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, we can end 'winner takes all' and distribute them according to actual winnings.

    That wouldn't violate the constitution and would be more fair.
     
  7. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    If a trans can fool me, wonderful. I'll open the car door for her. But, 'no sex', sorry.

    If not, they are CDs. Now, I have no problem with CDs or Trans, live and let live, and all that.

    There is no right on wrong on this issue, it's a man made thing.

    Animals don't go around wanting to be the opposite sex, they are either gay or straight.

    It's strictly a human construct.
     
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    Suffice it to say a horrible idea is still a horrible idea what ever the time.
     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every state also joined the Union with the understanding that..........https://www.theusconstitution.org/news/understanding-the-three-fifths-compromise/

    Let's all get over the belief the Founders were omnipotent and what they designed was flawless. It wasn't.
     
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    Why do you think of transfolks as he turned to she? Yanno, a she can turn to he but for some reason you do not acknowledge that.....hmmm.....that is very telling.....
     
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    If 'she' can fool me, no problem.

    If not, from where I sit, they are CDs.

    I have no problem with that, if that is someone's thing, live and let live and all that.

    I will add that, having lived in the gay sections of both San Diego and Hollywood for a total of some 40 years, I have met many trans persons, the vast majority of whom were men attempting to become female.

    Of all of them, only a few, very few, fooled me and I didn't know until they told me.

    But most, I knew immediately. Now, of course, some are on a 'journey' and it takes time to get there.

    I encourage them if they are making that attempt, but I'm not (inwardly) seeing them as ladies until I'm convinced they have truly made the transformation. Those that do, it's remarkable and they have my commendation.

    However, those that don't, still speak with a baritone voice, sorry, you're a CDer.
    Okay, I don't want to fight, if you want me to refer to you as 'she', I will, but you can't change how I feel about it inwardly. Moreover, I reject non-binary-ism. You are one or the other, and for intersex, you folks get to choose. And, yes, there is such a thing as woke science, which I reject.

    The lowest female voice I've ever heard was a contralto, and baritone is an octave below that.

    The point is, for some males, the transformation is impossible.

    I feel it is more honest just to accept who you are.

    If you are a male, and envy females, want all that they want, the arms of a man, enjoy dressing as a female, makeup, etc., then
    you are a CDer. That's what you are so just be what you are, accept it, and that is honest.
     
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    Some states refused to join without the EC, but all could make the claim that it was a guarantee upon their application for statehood. Get rid of the EC and void the social contract between stategovs and fedgov, undermining all other aspects of obligations between the two, including potentially secession.

    ...which might not be the worst thing in the word. States really should start exerting more autonomy and sovereignty, and there's an argument to be made for splitting the nation up. I don't really support doing so, yet, but it would certainly be preferable to having big war (which is a likely result if the 51% are allowed to push the 49% too far).

    But just be warned- advocating to get rid of the EC is advocating to breach the contract between fedgov and the states. And when one side breaches a contract, the other side is no longer beholden to that contract. This is recognized common law by every society and culture in history.
     
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    So you have a problem with males who identify as females? I wonder why?
     
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    Wonder on, wonderfully, for it is no wonder that you wonder so.
     
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    LOL! The answer is pretty obvious.
     
  16. Pollycy

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    Point taken and acknowledged... so, now, those of you who want about ten, large, 'woke'-liberal Democrat cities to RULE the entire United States need to amend the Constitution -- removing the Electoral College completely. Get busy!
     
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    Everyone's vote should be counted in a popular vote for president. Then we also would not have had George w Bush or Trump and we could have avoided all those catastrophes those incompetents caused. The stupidest wars ever 9/11 two stupid world depressions The stupidest pandemic reactions anywhere omg poor America.
     
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    So what ever made you think if you could win 5 states and be elected, that you would go to 50.
     

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