There is no such thing as 'racism', only bigotry.

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Whoopi was faulted for saying the holocaust wasn't about race.

    Of course, that is offensive as it implies the Nazis weren't racist.....

    Although, biologically speaking, she was correct.

    But she was wrong, on the human side of the equation, which, for the purpose of this argument, is more important.

    My point was that whose who are attacking her should factor the above in, before slinging arrows, it's just a misunderstanding.
     
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    It is a matter of definition. You can find numerous references to the contrary. Every profession has its definitions and they do not always agree from profession to profession.
     
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    All the science sites I've looked at thus far state that race has no scientific meaning.

    So, if you can find something, based on biology and science that defines race as subspecies, please offer it, I'd be most curious.
     
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    humans are too genetically similar to have subspecies

    https://askabiologist.asu.edu/questions/human-races
     
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    Race is absolutely a social construct. As is culture which often accounts for much if the racism out there.

    Cut one of us in half and we all look the same on the inside.
     
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    The site is not an academic authority. It appears to be written for the purpose of pointing people to degrees in biology.

    Was it written by biologists? No authorities are named, no papers are listed, there is nothing particularly academic
    about your website you listed, it looks more like a flyer on the web..

    Under 'about us'

    Biologywise.com is your source for biology learning opportunities. Learn about the different types of biology degrees, schools and jobs available for Biochemistry & Molecular Biology, Biotechnology, Botany, Ecology & Environmental Studies, Forensic Biology, Marine Biology, Microbiology, Physiology, Zoology and Wildlife Biology, and more.

    Your site is nothing more than a flyer on the web. I wouldn't base any statement in science derived from a site like it.

    How about Harvard:

    In the biological and social sciences, the consensus is clear: race is a social construct, not a biological attribute. Today, scientists prefer to use the term “ancestry” to describe human diversity

    https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century

    Find me a statement of a comparable magnitude, and I'll accept your rebuttal.

    In fact, your 'races' appear to be the thinking that is dated, like the 50s or something, and not the prevailing opinion in modern science.
     
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    Not seeing anything which indicates it is fifty years old.
    There are biological differences between the races. They can identify the race from their DNA. Medical decisions are made based on race because the various races have biological differences. Some races are more susceptible to various diseases than other races.
     
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    "Racism" exists as a semantic nullity of a propaganda term, is illegitimate in reasonable discourse and due for discarding in the net age. Why was it coined (likely by the Bolsheviks and/or other 19th century radicals)? To smear their political opposition, dehumanize them and eventually genocide them. They did exactly that in the worst genocide of the 20th century under the Bolsheviks. Works magnificently in its purpose when the population has no firearms, brand/label, isolate, dehumanize, murder. The good ole LW collectivist way where all leftism inevitably leads. Many datapoints, all coming from the radical left in the 20th century and vomited into mass culture to date. They overused the term, though, and that's why it is on the way out... other than as a fast and dirty way to identify the users of the term as irrational and low intellect.

    So back to why? Simple, that which negates the term in rational, intelligent language, that it doesn't mean anything, makes it far more useful in propaganda than specific real terms that require specific identifiable actions to qualify.

    Discrimination? Real term with a specific meaning... especially in a legal context where it is clearly defined in many statutes.
    Bigotry? Real term that requires a specific attitude and likely actions.
    Prejudice? Real term that generally requires specifically stated attitudes almost always accompanied by actions.

    "Racism" though? Pure propaganda fluff used to fool sheep and imbeciles and forward the revolutionary genocidal cycle.

    Simple, stop using empty 19th century propaganda/genocidal language or identify oneself as a poltroon. Finally, every time the hollow term "racism" is used (misused) it detracts from real instances of discrimination, bigotry, prejudice.
     
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    no, they cannot.

    there are people in western europe and india who have the same genetic haplotype but look VERY different
     
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    Correct, DNA cannot identify race.
     
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    the concept of 6 races, is 50 year old bullshit.

    science has evolved.
     
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    Are you claiming there is no biological difference between blacks and Caucasian?

    I can go to my medical blood tests and the estimated glomerular filtration rate limit is different for African American vs non African American.
     
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    the fact that you use the term "Caucasian" and that the article you posted suggested that white people originate in the Caucus Mountains, proves how old and antiquated your understanding of human biology is.

    Science has evolved. Join us.
     
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    and I quote:

    Caucasoid
    The word ‘Caucasian’ comes from ‘Kavkas’, who is believed, according to ancient legends, to be the forefather of the Vainakh-speaking people (the Chechens, Ingush and Georgian Kist people), all of whom trace their ethnic origins to the Caucasus mountains, mainly along the North and South Caucasus regions. In essence, it means that either ‘Kavkas’ could have come from ‘Caucasus’ or vice versa. The exact place of origin of the Caucasians is a matter of debate among anthropologists but most seem to agree with the aforementioned theory.


    LOL!!!! :roflol:

    OMG, its like 1965 all over again.

    Europeans originated in the Caucasus mountains???
     
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    and I quote:

    The Negro race people are known for their stamina and ability to survive in very adverse environmental conditions, especially extreme heat.


    :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Caucasian is still a very valid term. Numerous official documents still use the term
     
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    its no longer considered to be a scientifically appropriate term, as it suggests ancestry from the Caucasus Mountains, which is bullshit as you know
     
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    Liberals are such attention seekers, always virtue signaling trying to be cool and remembered as good lol.

    no one cares if you say the wrong pronoun or make a semi racist statement accidentally. Stop cancel culture
     
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    Let's see. We could call me White. But I am not actually white. I have done a little oil painting. White will not work for the human skin.. I don't really care whether the term is scientifically accurate or not. It is in common use and will likely be in common use for decades. We use the terms sunrise and sunset. We know those terms are not technically correct either.

    Whatever term you want to use, there are biological differences between blacks and whites.
     
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    that doesnt mean whites and blacks are a "race".
     
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    that depends on the science. If you're talking about anthropology then yes absolutely race has scientific value if you're talking about sociology races extremely important in that. If you're talking about psychology I think it plays a role there too.

    Biologically speaking it's not a thing. But you cannot study things like slavery in the US or the Holocaust without anthropology, and understanding what races because it played such a big role in that.

    No she isn't. Because she believes that segregation was about race but she is doing is saying only certain races get to be a race. She most definitely considers herself A different race than Jewish people because she said so it was white people fighting white people. That is incorrect because there's no such thing as white people because there's no such thing as race.

    I think you're attributing more profundity to her stupidity than actually was there.
     
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    I did not connect the Whoopie controversy with your OP at all. According to the current politically correct position, the Holocaust is all about race AND there is no such thing as race.

    Good luck with all that.
     

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