How do I convert Jewish friends to Christianity?

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  1. Polydectes

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    First and foremost be the best person you can possibly be the best friend and that includes do not preach do not talk about how great your religion is or how bad anybody else's is.

    If they decide to convert it will be partially because of you if they didn't decide not to stay their friends and understand that Jesus himself couldn't convert everyone.
     
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    Not really. Naive, sure, and with honestly good intentions. But not a hoax. I suspect the OP to be rather young
     
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    Young - and believing everything that fanatical fundamentalist evangelical "Christians" tell him.
     
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    That's why I wonder about the starter of this conversation. Sounds to me like this person is tempting people who want to further the narrative that all Christians are preaching missionaries.
     
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    Could be!
     
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    If someone rejects Christianity because it makes no sense or simply doesn't sink in, it doesn't mean they love evil or will go to hell. In fact, with one Christian God and forty thousand different Christian denominations, essentially presenting forty thousand different saviors. It is no wonder that other people are fatigued into rejection of the matter. With this in mind, it may well be that hell contains more of these fake Christian deceivers than the unbelievers who they've kept from the truth and driven away by a multitude of preposterous inventions of righteousness.

    That said, Christianity is a Jewish religion, albeit its authenticity originating in God, and coming thru Jews, or thru that part of Judaism who allow God to prevail and establish the spirit of Israel.
     
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    The same oh-I-love-Jews poster started a thread about how Nazis were not really evil for their time. Sounds like you are right.
     
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    To convince anyone to believe in God is a very difficult task in the age where the science has explanation for the most phenomenons without help of divine intervention. If you read the Bible (the New and the Old Testament) the real question is why Christians who believe the Bible do not convert in Judaism.

    I am an atheist but I read the Bible and here is what I found:

    Genesis 12

    1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will show thee :
    and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and
    make thy name great ; and thou shalt be a blessing :
    and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth
    thee : and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

    For me it is clear God gave promise to Jews only.

    Genesis 17:

    9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
    This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

    It says that the covenant with God must include circumcision.

    Exodus
    Chapter 20

    8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

    So who do we need to obey – God or Roman emperor Constantine the Great?

    Matthew
    Chapter 15

    22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
    But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
    But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
    But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
    And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
    Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

    Jesus said: I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    He also said: It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

    In Jesus own words: Jews are lost sheeps and non Jews are ‘dogs’. Any conclusion?


    Matthew, Chapter 5
    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
    For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    For me it sounds that God wants to keep all Old Testament rules unchanged.

    As I said, I am an atheist and this is how I understand the message of the Bible.
    But I trust the science and not the Bible – I don’t need a concept of God to explain the rain, the storm, tsunami, diseases or earthquakes.
     
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  9. Jeannette

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    Actually Judaism is a 'this world' faith, so you gain more in this world, while Christianity is an 'other world' faith, so you gain very little in this world other than an inner sense of peace and unity with the Divine when you die. Or so we hope.
     
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    Just pray for them to be within God's Grace and leave the rest to God. He knows what's in each person's heart.
     
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    Hmmmm ..... makes you thing ..... doesn't it?
     
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    You aren’t an apostle . We don’t live in those times . Leave folks alone .
     
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    I think there is some conflict here with freedom of religion.
    How dare does someone consider someone else's faith isn't as good as theirs?
     
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    There is a difference between faiths. Jesus was rejected by the Jews because He was not the political leader that they wanted to free them from the Romans. The emphasis in Judaism is more of 'this world and what one can achieve and contribute in this life rather than on the afterlife. What Jesus offered them instead was a way to attain eternal life in God's Kingdom.

    Islam is also a political faith in that they believe in territorial expansion, since they feel that universal peace can only be attained when the whole world is subjected to Allah's laws as expressed in the Quran.

    Christianity differs in that it's solely spiritual, and that the ultimate goal is unity with God in His existence. This requires a Godly perfection, that can only be attained from God when we ask for it, and not through laws and what we do on own initiatives.

    It's this acceptance of God and our need of Him, that opens up our hearts to His Grace. As long as our hearts are open to him, God will help us grow in whichever way He feels is best.

    This doesn't mean that one needs to know Jesus to attain God's Grace, certainly the Old Testament Prophets didn't know Him. But the incarnation of God's Word into flesh, and the suffering that ensued, helped to facilitate many into accepting and thereby attaining God's Grace - which is the ultimate goal.
     
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    Christianity is purely spiritual?
    I am sure the crusaders thought so too.
    And all those corruption popes who just happened to be the brothers of Kings and princes.
    And the peasants who staged years of revolution to separate church and state.
    Give me a break.
    Christianity has buried itself completely in politics and affairs of state since Jesus said give unto caesar etc etc. But there was too much power on offer.
     
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    Christianity is not the same as Christendom.
     
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    I quoted Jeanette who said Christianity is solely spiritual.
    It spent 2000 years being one of the most mercenary faiths in existence.
     
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    I agree that the religion was a political power but I think at the core there is also a system of spirituality that exists separately from that. Not that I myself am Christian but I can still acknowledge that the political intrigue of Christendom is different than the spirituality of Christianity. I mean the bible teaches people to be meek, reject dominion over others and to feel grateful for what you have without craving what others have.
     
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    religion and politics/law are for the most part not separable in common parlance.
     
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    I don't know what you mean by common parlance but they are in government and state affairs in France.
    It is a secular state, established in 1789 or soon after.
     
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    and Christianity is no different from other faiths in that respect.

    Can you please define spirituality because it means different thing to different people.

    As for the highlighted sentence, I doubt if the Spanish explorers who conquered South America even gave the Bible a thought .
     
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    I agree. Most people who follow Christianity are just part of a herd.

    Spirituality is the force that helps a person become self-actuated. It is the force that breaks you off from the herd and helps you to become more than just a passive observer of reality. Among other things.
     
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    I also think the term spirituality is misleading. “Spirit” comes from the idea that you have an invisible life force that leaves you after you die.

    in my opinion that idea comes from misconceptions about breathing. Modern science teaches us that the lungs transition oxygen from the air to our bloodstream where it is transported throughout the body. Prior to medical science the breath was the breath of life, the spirit.

    Despite that, there is a truth that focussing on our breath can change our mental state, can bring us focus, can take us to a mental state of healing and inner strength.

    As an agnostic or atheist most people would think spirituality is beyond me but I believe that spirituality is for everyone: the atheist, the Christian, the Muslim, the Jew. Every human can avail themselves of the benefits of spirituality without having to believe in an afterlife or a anthropomorphized god. We can all break free of the herd and become the masters of our own destiny.
     
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