Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts

Step back and look at the big picture. Socialists take control of business, fascists do not.

 

You are the one that fails to understand the generalization fallacy you are committing. You cited the risk of harm for an unvaxed person who is unhealthy .. as if this applied to all unvaxed people. - healthy unvaxed people.

What part the risks are differrent .. so you can't treat them all the same - do you not understand ? and because of this .. the risk of harm from the vax is greater for healthy people than the risk of the disease using death - ICU - "Serious Adverse Affect" as metrics .. do you not understand ?

This has nothing to do with my opinion - and a whole lot to do with the Science .. of which you have shown little aptitude .. no offence .. but, you have yet to grasp the simple concept above .. despite me explaining it 5 times to you.

 

Socialists intend to take capitalists' assets and collectivize production. Fascists maintain private property for the capitalists. As such, business owners side with the fascists.

Ideological nonsense. Adding to your wealth vs. losing it entirely is no small difference.

 

BLM was objectively violent,if you heard otherwise then you should stop watching your propaganda cnn and MSNBC sources. They aren’t doing right by you.

respirators work sure, which can qualify as a mask. However Dems believed a flimsy cloth mask worked and they objectively don’t. They can even be harmful Infact. And despite critical thinking telling people this from the beginning Dems refused to do it.

only now 2 years later do they see how silly they looked.

 

He is on a power trip. It isn't pretty.

 

Socialists are closer to nazis and fascists than any right wingers. Infact they often times use the same tactics.

 

They governed according to their national socialist methods.

The only propaganda is that they were right-wingers when they weren't. I used to believe that hogwash until I bothered to research it myself...

 

They weren't socialist either since they were part of the "third way" movement.
I also did believe as you did and I been studying it for years now. It becomes really apparent when you also start taking into accoount who they allied themselves with outside of Germany.

 

I've been talking about public policy, not personal choice. We don't know which of the unvaccinated are the greatest risk, or if a particular vaccinated person is a greater risk than someone who isn't.

Your "right" to avoid pressure to get vaccinated (vaccine passports) is not important enough to allow unvaccinated individuals to spread covid, destroying a big chunk of the in-person services sector of the economy.

Bellyaching about "rights" of the unvaccinated doesn't move me. Come up with an ANSWER better than vaccines and I'll pay attention.

Tell us how we can better assess risk so we can provide exceptions for unvaccinated individuals who aren't a risk of filling up hospitals.

We've lost nearly 1m people and you're worked up over the rights of the unvaccinated to avoid the pressure of vaccine passports to get vaccinated?

As I said, you're "explaining" what you don't understand.

 

Trudeau has been on a "wimp trip." He should have stepped on the truckers the minute they occupied part of downtown Ottawa or blocked the border.

All this to avoid getting vaccinated? Egads.

 

They practiced their own brand of socialism - national socialism - so, yes, they were socialists.

Granted, it was a peculiar form of socialism and it doesn't fit with most people's Marxist conception of socialism, but you don't have to be a Marxist to be a socialist. There are many different forms of socialism and socialists.

Like the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

The only things socialists care about are power and control, and they'll ally themselves with anyone and anything that enables them to acquire and maintain power and control. The German National Socialists were not unique in that regard...

 

The protests aren't about vaccinaions. It is about his mandates

The protests aren't about vaccinations. It is about his mandates and freedom. Power trip was the right word.

 

So, the Canadian government should let whining truckers occupy part of Ottawa and block international borders? Are you kidding? You make the weak-kneed mayors of Portland and Seattle look like tigers.

 

Yes we do -- we know exactly who is more risk -- this is not some wild goose hunting expedition.

Fallacious Utilitarianism (Utilitarianism based on falsehood) Did you miss the memo ? Unvaxed and vaxed transmission is not significantly different

Not taking the vax is better for some- and not for others. You were already given the answer.

What do you mean exception -- have you no idea what we are talking about -- Healthy folks are the rule .. not the exception. As expert after expert has suggested . you want to target the at risk.

Did you not understand ... did you not get it -- not comprehend .. or just not sinking in .. Only 1 in 1000 showing up at the hospital Dead are not in the " comorb/immune compromized et al " category ..

We've lost nearly 1m people and you're worked up over the rights of the unvaccinated to avoid the pressure of vaccine passports to get vaccinated?

As I said, you're "explaining" what you don't understand

 

No I'm thinking of royalist, religious, industrials/capitalist. Calling Ford, Edward VIII, Kennedy and even Franco socialists is nonsense.

By some mesure capitalism can also be called comunism since in its extreme form it concentrate the means of production in the hand of a few elite. But I'm sure you won't get on a soapbox to call Musk, Bezos or Trump filthy communist...

Hitler, Goebel, Goering played socialist for the gallery. It was an act, a bait and switch. Some people today still fell for it.

 

I don't watch MSNBC and seldom even look at their news clips.

Most BLM protests have been peaceful:

"Here is what we have found based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected. The overall levels of violence and property destruction were low, and most of the violence that did take place was, in fact, directed against the BLM protesters."​

https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news-and-ideas/black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelmingly-peaceful-our-research-finds

"The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) analyzed more than 7,750 Black Lives Matter demonstrations in all 50 states and Washington D.C. that took place in the wake of George Floyd’s death between May 26 and August 22.

Their report states that more than 2,400 locations reported peaceful protests, while fewer than 220 reported 'violent demonstrations.' The authors defineviolent demonstrations as including 'acts targeting other individuals, property, businesses, other rioting groups or armed actors.' Their definition includes anything from 'fighting back against police' to vandalism, property destruction looting, road-blocking using barricades, burning tires or other materials. In cities where protests did turn violent—these demonstrations are 'largely confined to specific blocks,' the report says."​

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

That said, I think demonstrations are a poor way of advancing most causes. Even well-intentioned protests attract maggots. Anyone engaging in illegal activities around protests should be arrested, prosecuted, convicted, fined and jailed.

Check.

I don't know what Democrats believe, but I do know cloth masks are largely ineffective.

 

Canada had an election a couple of months ago and the protesters lost.
Power trip was the right word.[/QUOTE]
Canadians want the protests to end.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a17333eb0786935ac112523/t/620d9994ac49674e50dd99d6/1645058455817/Emergencies+17+02+22.pdf

 

They were already out of a job because of fascist mandates , so it’s already hurt them .

Sure is funny how the left demands extremities against those that oppose their Nazi style demands, while at the same time literally promoted their own psycho protestors burning peoples livelihoods to the ground and being violent across a nation .


Why didn’t you guys want to hit your own violent protestors in the wallet the same way ? I mean outside of the fact your protestors are made up of worthless bums without jobs anyways , but you sure were soft on crime when it came to them .

 

Yes, Stalin and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Oops!

And while no one called Ford, Edward VIII, Kennedy and Franco socialists (nice straw man), I pointed out the fact that the German National Socialists, like the socialists in the USSR and elsewhere, would align themselves with/seek & receive support from, etc., anyone who helped them acquire and maintain the only things they truly cared about - power and control.

No. Oligarchical, perhaps, but not communist.

The German National Socialists practiced their own brand of socialism. Some people today would have us believe that they were individualistic, laissez-faire free market Austrian School libertarians.

PROPAGANDA....

 

So, then, what's your solution?

The unvaccinated are far more likely to end up in hospital.

"Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Feb. 2-15)

• Not vaccinated: 67.3
• Partially vaccinated: 32.5
• Fully vaccinated: 13.4"

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2022HLTH0058-000234

 

The fact that you continue to argue what they call themselves instead of what they did is what makes your argument silly.
North Korea calls itself "democratic", does that make it so? If I call my cat Fido, does that makes him a dog?

And the "laissez-faire free market Austrian School libertarians" weren't the only other political system beside socialism and communism. The Nazi party practice neither of those three.

And before the innevitable accusation of me being a socialist, a leftist, a red.... I'm neither of those either and I'm not defending socialism or trying to play defense for it. My reasonning is based on years of research I did on the Nazi party, their members and their allied. You may've reached a different pov and I respect that, but I reiterate, the Nazi weren't socialist or communist, they're another political philosophy/System just like modern libertarians are more anarcho-capitalist than republican conservative a la sauce du jours...

 

Why do you keep repeating this falsehood .. like some parrot on a broken record.

Only the Immune compromized unvaxed are "far more likely" .. not the healthy unvaxed. Your inability to distinguish between healthy and unhealthy individuals is breath-taking.

 

You know what's silly?

Straw man arguments.

What I have actually continued to argue is that the German National Socialists practiced their own unique brand of socialism and I even explained how it is/was unique. I have also pointed out the German National Socialism's socialist roots, and I'll reiterate them here:

"It is significant that the most important ancestors of National Socialism [Johann Gottlieb] Fricht, [Johann Karl] Rodbertus and {Fredinand] Lassalle - are at the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism."
- Friedrich Hayak, The Road to Serfdom, Chapter 12, The Socialist Roots of Nazism

and I've pointed out it's historical roots in 1) the failures of the liberal revolutions of 1848 that gave rise to the violent, illiberal socialist movements of the 20th Century, and 2) World War I, which brought German National Socialist ideologue Johann Plenge to observe that the German war economy created during that time was

"the first realization of a socialist society, and its spirit the first active, and not merely demanding, appearance of a socialist spirit. The needs of the war have established the socialist idea in German economic life, and thus the defense of our nation produced for humanity the idea of 1914, the idea of German organization, the people's community (Volksgemeinschaft) of national socialism..."

As for the name of the National Socialist German Workers' Party's, it's laughable how Leftists have vainly attempted claimed and suggested that the inclusion of the term Socialist was some sort of accident or coincidence. Furthermore, we haven't even begun to discuss another important and defining element in the name - Workers' Party.

Back to your straw man...

Yes, I pointed that out, too - they were not Conservatives and they hated Liberalism - and your straw man conveniently overlooks that, too.

For the record, before you made that comment I refrained from any such accusation, but I can understand your concern because the only people I know who deny the fact that the Nazis were socialists and leftists are....wait for it....socialists and Leftists.

I've researched this subject thoroughly myself and have hardly begun to delve into it here in any depth, and unlike the propaganda Leftists have fed me (and others) my entire life, my conclusions are based on evidence, not pov, and there's nothing in the evidence that proves the German National Socialists and the Nazi Party weren't socialists and didn't operate according to their own German national socialist ideas, agenda and methods.

That being said, I'm content to agree to disagree with you on this matter and leave it at that.

 

This is a complete waste of time.

Good luck to your unvaccinated arse.

 

Absurd. The Nazis didn't collectivize production, socialists do—the evidence you choose to ignore.