Deep blue state wants to teach race to school children; not all parents agree

Did you not see where part of the curriculum was telling kids to donate to BLM lol ? How is that beneficial to education ?

 

Here , have a gander .

 

I've said a few times, there are bad apples in every industry. So you will find some, no doubt.
But I want to know what these bad apples have done or said that is so offending.

I've not seen anything that worries me about CRT, for most of what people claim is bad is NOT CRT.
Who are Lemon and Maddow? Now you need to deflect instead of telling me what you don't like about what San Bernadino did.

I don't watch 24/7 reality tv of any sorts that masquerades as news sources. None of them are news, they're talking heads. And I am starting to think you watch some of that BS fake news and that's what upsets you.
But if you can state exactly what offends you, then we can see what the real issue is.

 

Forgive my ignorance but does CRT teach anything about Hispanic or Native American races? I know that they generally refer to people of color yet the statistics generally lump hispanics in with "white". New Mexico's population is majority Hispanic with black at less than 2%. What are they going to teach regarding the legally allowed, and accepted, racist hiring of Native Americans? I grew up in this state and have lived here most of my life. By far, the most racist things I've encountered or observed are not committed by whites.

 

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Critical race theory is not being taught in the nation’s public schools, said Camille Gear Rich, a professor of law and sociology at the University of Southern California’s School of Law.

“Most law students don’t even learn critical race theory,” she said. “Critical race theory talks about things like how the construct of whiteness informed constitutional doctrine. It talks about intersectionality — how multiple identities come together to create unique experiences of bias. It talks about how bias intersects with identity and causes injustice. Third-grade kids are not learning about all this.”

What schools are starting to discuss are social justice and anti-racism, she said. There are also conversations — in schools, workplaces and corporate circles — about diversity, inclusion and equity, said Rich, USC’s associate provost for diversity and inclusion initiatives.
https://www.sgvtribune.com/2021/07/...-stirs-debate-in-southern-california-schools/

 

So schools should teach kids about race in the way the world actually works.
Have all the KOC (kids of color) get to be first in line, free everything, and one letter grade added as a handicap. Tell them that they deserve this because they aren't as good as the white kids. Tell the KOCs that their report cards will be hand delivered to their houses because they aren't capable of handing the report cards to their parents. Let the KOC get away with any kind of irreverence that they feel like because KOC lives matter. Of course, punish any white kids that do anything out of line.

Then, sit back and watch the love flow.

 

Instances like segregating children by race , pitting them against each other by saying one is the oppressor and the other is the oppressed . Teaching that minority kids are automatically disadvantaged while others are automatically given an easy life .

it’s one thing to teach the social and economic effects on people because of Jim Crow , welfare or slavery …… it’s another to use it to indoctrinate and create enemies in the classroom .

 

I know that , but the thing is CRT is the veil they want to try and use . Basically say they want to teach CRT , but in reality they are teaching something way way off the mark .

 

As I said before CRT is not the problem , it’s how certain folks wish to use it as a smoke screen for something else .

 

That should not happen, but 1 school did that. Correct?
It's not a national issue. It's 1 or a few teachers or schools nationwide.

 

Who is they?
Afterall, it's been a few out of the entire country. Don't lump a few with some entire group. They means nothing.

 

Certain people. Not they then?

A mountain is being made out of a mole hill.
An effective politial football scaring parents.

 

But since there ISN'T any political ideology in public schools, that puts you smack in the middle of semantic games.

I know you well enough to know you just want to avoid getting trapped on the wrong side of an argument about which you just can't bring yourself to engage on the right side.

 

Try addressing my post.

 

Try listing a couple of concepts as I requested.

 

I'm bored with this subject and chatting with you is always a waste of time.

 

What does that have to do with CRT?

"The first major national conference dedicated wholly to Critical Race Theory was held in Madison, Wisconsin, on July 7-12, 1989. The conference, called “New Developments in Critical Race Theory,” was organized by two of Derrick Bell’s former Harvard law students, Kimberle’ Crenshaw, now a UCLA law professor, and Mari Matsuda now at the William S. Richardson School of Law at the University of Hawaii. In a subsequent conference in 2020, they hosted the Presidential Session on “Intersectionality and Critical Race Theory,” which brought together various strains of Critical Race Theory into a unified whole.

"At this time, University of Colorado Law Professor Richard Delgado became a prominent voice along with University of Oregon Law School Dean Derrick Bell, who in 1987 published And We Are Not Saved: The Elusive Quest for Racial Justice. Two years after the conference (1991), Columbia University legal scholar Patricia Williams published The Alchemy of Race and Rights, and Bell published a second book, Faces at the Bottom of the Well in 1992. In 1994, Richard Delgado wrote, in Sage Race Relations Abstracts, a penetrating essay entitled “Critical Race Theory.”

https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/critical-race-theory-a-brief-history/


You need to connect what's being taught and which you oppose being taught, with the ideas in "And We Are Not Saved: The Elusive Quest for Racial Justice", and "The Alchemy of Race and Rights", and Richard Delgado's essay. Because, as I said in post 302 and you quoted, "Let's see you list a couple of the concepts you oppose that are taught in any K-12 school WITH EVIDENCE OF IT, and show how it is a Critical Race theory. I don't think you can because I don't think there is actually any case of CRT being taught in any k-12 school."

Neither you nor anyone else has done so yet. And therefore, so far I remain correct in what I said.

 

That's because you always beat around the bush, dodge, deflect, and run away....... like you're doing now.

 

Well, first you gotta look at the basic tenants of CRT, which you can find HERE. Here's one part of it:

Now we look at the Bingo Board. Name your privilege. Gee, I guess if you're white, then you must also be employed (because you've haven't been denied jobs) or feel safe around police officers (because you're not likely to be suspected of criminal behavior) or feel safe walking about your neighborhood (because minorities live in impoverished neighborhoods) or you've never been racially profiled - and then we have to make the whites feel guilty about all this or castigate them for their privilege or - well, there's your CRT. Oh, and if you're a POC, well I guess then you've just been made aware by the teacher that you're a second or third class citizen here and hmm - look at those white kids over there. Hey, time to take out your frustrations on them cuz' the teacher made you play Bingo just so you COULD be made aware of the differences between all the kids in class. Yeah, you're not getting a job and you're not safe in your neighborhood and you're getting arrested, lil POC kids.

I ain't doing that to my kids. Heck, if anything, I'd stand up and say hey - I'm not white and none of that stuff means anything to me. I'll tell all of you right now, you get a high-school diploma, stay OUT of the legal system, get a job and don't have kids at all until you're either married and have a job, then you only have a 2% chance to end up in poverty and a 98% chance to be middle class or better. Then I'd go into Dave Ramsey's steps to financial success, and also tell my kids don't listen to this CRT BS, don't let anyone tell you you're not as good as anyone else - or better than as well - and be the most excellent person you can be without the pity parties that the CRT disciples want our kids to have. And heck, I actually have done that, although without mentioning CRT.

 

Parents disagree with you and I side with the parents. They are the ones with the children's best interest in mind. I don't care a whit about an internet argument.

 

Yeah, I kinda disagree there. In theory, you should be correct but in practice ... not so much. Remember all the walkouts the schools allowed when Trump won? Look HERE.

And we've had lotsa stories about some teacher hither and thither doing some bonehead political act that got them in hot water. We had more than a few schools where the kids were led to sing songs praising Obama. I don't think I need to tell ya most teachers are left-leaning either.

 

Finally we cut to the chase! You would have said that anyway no matter what I posted. Think of all the time we saved!

 

I asked for a CRT document by the originators of the theory. You didn't deliver. You posted a link to something that attempts to explain it, so you failed my first request.

However, your link starts out with:
"First, race is socially constructed, not biologically natural. The biogenetic notion of race—the idea that the human species is divided into distinct groups on the basis of inherited physical and behavioral differences—was finally refuted by genetic studies in the late 20th century. Social scientists, historians, and other scholars now agree that the notion of race is a social construction".

OK. So if it is 1) socially constructed, and if it is 2) harmful to some, then it stands to reason that it is a negative that should be corrected and the correction would be in the area of changes to education, culture, laws that perpetuate the problem, etc. And that is what CRT attempts to accomplish.

And those facts are what CRT is about.

WRONG! CRT doesn't teach anything about a need to make anyone feel guilty about anything. You dishonestly slipped that in thinking I might be stupid enough to just slide along on your slime. But I didn't. So that line should be eliminated as it contaminates the facts.

Yeah, all that is your own added bullshit. NO CRT text or document says anything like that. You fail.

 

Yeh, a FEW do because they are also brainwashed by the RW bullshit that has been your main diet.

 

So you don't like the link I used, except that you do. Uhm - okay.

Yeah. Glad you agree. The problem is what happens next. You admit that said facts are accurate. Okay, so you've just told these facts to a racially mixed classroom. How do you expect the black kids to react? The white kids? How do you expect the black kids are gonna treat the white kids after that - whatcha think they're gonna start saying? "I'm gonna be profiled while that white kid sitting next to me ain't!"

Congratulations. You've just taught bitterness, separation, and guilt to the kids depending on what race they are. Instead of bringing the kids put under your care by the admins and the state together into a community that learns and grows, now you've sown the seeds of race and presumably class envy. Most teachers would think that's maybe not in their job description. Dunno why you think that is but you do you.