Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

One does not negotiate with a burglar who invades one's home. You shoot him.

 

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Therefore, we, the representatives of the regions of Ukraine, having in our hearts the sincerity of our intentions, on behalf and with the authorization of the peoples of these regions, are officially recording and stating that these regions are and rightfully must be free and independent.

They are free from any dependence on the Kiev authorities and that all political ties between them and the State of Ukraine must be completely broken off.

As free and independent states, they have the authority to declare war, to conclude treaties of peace, to form alliances, to trade, whatever is considered to be the right of an independent state.

Our aim is to unite all the peoples of Ukraine who do not want to tolerate the dominance of neo-Nazism and the bloody crimes on our land.

Our goal is to create a Democratic Federal State and carry out complete de-Nazism. A criminal law will be introduced for those who try to restore Nazism in our country.

-Our goal is to create a democratic federal state where each nation can speak its own language. The number of state languages will not be limited.

-Our goal is to create a democratic federal state, where the main objectives will be to safeguard human rights and freedoms.

-Our goal is to create a democratic federal state where religious freedom and the independence of the Church from the state are ensured.

-Our goal is to create a democratic federal state and punish war criminals who are guilty of unleashing civil war and mass bloodshed.

-Our goal is to create a democratic federal state with a free market economy.

-Our goal is neutrality and friendly relations with all the states of the world.

-We ask all countries of the world to recognize the state of the Federal Republic of Ukraine.

And the Lord help us in this.

 

And I've explained why they have broken away. By themselves, they are not evidence of what you claim.

 

You have no clue. In practice, except for the fight against ISIS for a brief period circa 2015-17, Russia is a protector of Israel and the Arab states of the Persian Gulf to the point that none of them are (despite their US ties) willing to seriously condemn the Russians. All of them have extensive military and economic ties with the Russians. Iran has none of that. Russia has even played a significant role in negotiations on the nuclear issue until now at least complete lock-step with the P5+1 against Iran. Incidentally, I prefer many of the military equipment Iran makes and so would many others who aren't being allowed to buy them.

 

I like analogies, too. One doesn't allow a pet owner to starve, otherwise mistreat and eventually kill the pet because the pet in the opinion of the pet owner misbehaves.

 

We must unputinise Putin!

 

They broke away because they experienced fascism from the government of Ukraine.

 

Crowd blocks Russians from nuclear power plant

CNN's Fareed Zakaria and John Berman react to Ukrainian civilians blocking access to a nuclear plant in Enerhodar, Ukraine, from Russian forces as the invasion continues across the country.​

 

You honestly fell for that . . . so why did they ally themselves with A FAR MORE AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT? You guys need to think these things over before parroting Russian propaganda.

 

The Russian people need to denazify the Kremlin.

 

They're abstaining because they fear you might take advantage of the situation and make a fuss. We should see soon, with the UN vote who's on he side of the russians.

 

Ukraine is too corrupt and authoritarian, so I better side with Russia! Also, my babysitter was late again--so irresponsible--so I'm going to hire John Wayne Gacy.

 

Iran's position is generally against US/Israeli hegemony. When the Russians are in the same side (ala in Syria esp. 2014-17), diplomatic double talk aside, Iran is as well. When the Russians aren't in the same side, like in Syria post 2017 (where Iran backed forces have even had some firefights with the Russians and the Russians have been working with the Israelis), or when the Russians act as wannabe partners of the "West", they sit across the table from Iran with their wannabe partners.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2022/03...ussia-and-western-unity-tested-in-iran-talks/
Foes over Ukraine, Russia, Western unity tested in Iran talks
Stakes are high as failure of the Vienna talks could carry the risk of Tehran getting to within a short sprint of nuclear weapons and igniting a fresh war in the Middle East.

 

I have no concrete proof, but I asked my personal friend about a large column of Russian equipment north of Kyiv (27 km long) and he said as far as he knows the column is completely destroyed by Ukrainian fighter jets and drones.

 

We don't need you to explain it. They can explain it themselves:
https://thehill.com/opinion/nationa...astern-allies-havent-condemned-russias-war-in
Why America's Middle Eastern allies haven't condemned Russia's war in Ukraine

 

I certainly hope those that were against the Iraq War remember their rhetoric. Because it seems that you same people want the US to intervene when a dictator ruthlessly invades another country like Saddam did with Kuwait.

Let me guess, after we free Ukraine you want us to hang around defending Ukraine for a couple of decades from Putin? Deploy 200k troops and spend 100`s of billions containing Putin for 20 years?

And when we get tired of containing Putin, and make a move to remove him so we can go home in 20 years, you will once again shame America for an unjust war? Is that how this works?

 

Not sure why people believe that the people in Eastern Ukraine have a right to form their own republics.

Is there a provision of the constitution of Ukraine that allows it, and if so, have they followed that process?

 

The opposition to direct military action in Ukraine by the US military at this point would be massive.

 

Just because the US has done some really stupid things , does not excuse Putins actions.

 

And I believe what I said is in the American subconscious. We just did this dance with Saddam. And 20 years later we ended up the ones the world shamed for an unjust war in Iraq.

 

In reference to the Declaration I posted on the new Federal State of Ukraine:

It doesn't seem like Zalensky has much choice but to agree to the Declaration since the alternative will be the loss of Ukraine's access to the Black Sea. At least by federalizing Ukraine, it will remain somewhat intact. This way no group will take over power in Kiev, and try to bully and impose its own laws and beliefs on another.

We tend to forget that our own nation was federalized in order to ensure the freedom of the people living here. So why should we deny the freedoms that were given to us by our brilliant and highly devout Founding Fathers, to other nations such as Ukraine? Wouldn't we be going against our own principles?

I can understand posters such as Durandel being against those freedoms, since they were born and raised in different cultures, so that their beliefs are contrary to our own. But for Americans not to want to give the same freedoms to others really goes against everything we believe in.


FEDERALIZED AND FREE

This land we love so mightily,
should not be handed readily,

to selfish men with hearts of stone,
who carest only for their own.

And who will come so angrily
to tellest us so blatantly

that we should never dare to stray.
For only they should have a say.

And that we not do as we please,
while forcing us upon our knees,

to worship gods of lust and greed.
And things that we can never heed.

Now these are things we did not choose.
And freedoms something we can't lose.

To fascist laws and swords so cruel
and brandished 'bout by those who rule.

- Jeannette ​

 

Wishful thinking.

 

Assassination plot against Zelensky foiled and unit sent to kill him ‘destroyed,’ Ukraine says (msn.com)
A recent alleged assassination plot against Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was foiled over the weekend and the Chechen servicemen sent from Russia were “destroyed,” a Ukrainian security leader said Tuesday.

Oleksiy Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, said during a broadcast marathon airing on Ukrainian TV channels that officials were recently tipped off that a unit of Kadyrovites, elite Chechen special forces, was on its way to kill Zelensky. After Ukrainian officials were informed by Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB), the Chechen special forces were killed Saturday on the outskirts of Kyiv, Danilov said.
“We are well aware of the special operation that was to take place directly by the Kadyrovites to eliminate our president. And I can say that we have received information from the FSB, who today do not want to take part in this bloody war,” Danilov said. “And thanks to this, the Kadyrov elite group was destroyed, which came here to eliminate our president.”
Another fail plot to kill the Ukrainian President Zelenskyy. Vladimir Putin will do anything to eliminate the Ukrainian leaders and officials any which way he can. If the Russians can decapitate the Ukrainian leaders, It would be what Putin wants so he can move in and merge Ukraine into Russia and bring back the USSR as in the good old days. as Putin as the dictator. That won't be all for Putin, he'll move on and perhaps invade and take over other countries.

 

Translated:

Planning documents for the war with Ukraine were approved on January 18, 2022, and the operation itself must take place within 15 days - the General Staff of the Armed Forces. DOCUMENTS

Planning documents for the war with Ukraine were approved on January 18, 2022, and the operation to capture Ukraine itself must take place within 15 days, namely from February 20 to March 6.

This was reported by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, referring to secret documents of one of the units of the battalion tactical group of the 810th separate brigade of marines of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, informs Censor.NET.

"Due to the successful actions of one of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russian occupiers are losing not only equipment and manpower. In a panic, they also leave secret documents. Yes, we have planning documents of one of the units of the battalion tactical group Navy of the Russian Federation.

https://m.censor.net/ua/news/332079...i_sche_18_sichnya_2022_roku_a_sama_operatsiya

 

Let me post the reports that I was alluding to, since it seems those who imagine posting one-sided propaganda on this thread makes a dime of difference seemed irritated by it:
https://www.ft.com/content/0f0030d6-b8bd-4122-921d-1369be6a5027
Missiles rain on Ukrainian cities as Russia steps up bombardment campaign
Moscow and Kyiv make competing claims over control of Kherson on one of the most destructive days of the war

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukr...h-russia-to-stop-war-foreign-minister/2521237
Ukraine ready to negotiate with Russia to stop war: Foreign minister
‘We are ready for negotiations and diplomacy, but we are against the Russian ultimatum,’ Dmytro Kuleba said in Facebook video