$6 or $7 per gallon is a small price to pay to defend democracy....

I don't expect serious comments from you, but making up crap is too much even for you.

 

An adjective for close or on the verge does NOT constitute a strawman argument. At any rate...

So let me get this straight... when you said "they are one Putin puppet away from a dictatorship. And dictators don't use eviction notices to evict tenants. They use bombs. $6 or $7 a gallon is a small price to pay to avoid that."....... what you ACTUALLY meant was "an expansionist dictator is worse than being evicted" ?

Wow , your first statement is a REALLY bizarre way of trying to convey your second statement.

You said bombs. Who is going to drop bombs? Is it Putin? Or is it the "puppet" that you referenced? With all of your research, how are the bombs going to come into play and how are they going to lead to us living under a dictatorship? Please share with us your vast research that you spent so much time compiling.

 

I have a lot more faith in our government than you do including the supreme court and our military.

Some decisions by the supreme court depend on their point of view including Roe vs Wade. Some consider abortion at any stage to be murder which makes that position defensible. An overthrow of the government would be clear and there would be no way they could defend that point of view.

I am not convinced that even most republicans would be willing to go along with an overthrow of the government by Trump. I know I would not.

 

As this thread has aged, one thing has become more clear. This message from the OP is one that directly provide aid, and comfort to the enemy. As it further enriches the Russian war chest. Was this post designed to create an expectation in the readers then on the forum to ignore the facts so accepting the outcomes was "patriotic" or some other BS that masks the fact that the payment of higher prices simply gets passed right back into the Russian war accounts?

The funny part being, "sorry for fans of Putin"... as it tried to deflect from it's unstated goal/purpose of spreading just a little more propaganda in support of the Russian war effort.

 

If most certainly does! Whether the danger is "eyelash" close or not is irrelevant to my argument. Using the adjective is an obvious attempt to change the subject. Why else would you choose such an irrelevant qualifier?

Bingo!

And what I am trying to convey is made obvious by the context. Which you obviously still refuse to read, or you wouldn't be asking these questions.

 

I'm sure that the people who can barely afford to keep lights on or put food on the table will take great solace in your opinion... . Let them eat cake right? You're making excuses for an American dictator.

Like I said you have to be pretty damn arrogant to just assume that people who can barely pay the bills already can afford it.

 

But everything except what they believe is bullshit to the left, which invalidates all of it.

 

You failed to respond to the actual meat of my post.

You said bombs. Who is going to drop bombs? Is it Putin? Or is it the "puppet" that you referenced? With all of your research, how are the bombs going to come into play and how are they going to lead to us living under a dictatorship? Please share with us your vast research that you spent so much time compiling.

 

It was a serious question.

 

Clearly...

The difference is that, in your case, I'm pretty sure your position would change if the threat were coming from the left. Mine wouldn't....

 

You make a lot of bad assumptions.

I simply do not believe the supreme court and our military would take that position.

 

The graph spoke for itself, if you can read graphs.

 

sorry, i'm getting into this late. so some one has already posted my views. sorry. but the u.s. under trump was almost energy independent. we were exporting a lot of oil, & natural gas. then biden came into office. cut drilling and pipelines, and our u.s. production dropped dramatically. now with the war in ukraine, and the cut off of russian oil. (why were we importing russian oil is beyond me!) and biden has to go --"bagging!" to Saudi Arabia, venezuela & it's dictator, plus iran, to get more oil. that doesn't make sense to me. the u.s. has a large reserve in alaska that biden has stopped it from being drilled and shipped south to us. bidens spokes person keeps saying there are 9,000 drill permits not used. but fails to mention many are (dry holes there) no oil. and the energy dept. of bidens gov. has put many restrictions on any company that wants to drill weither there is oil there or not. who would risk their money covering these restrictions on a good chance of a (dry hole?)

ok. that is my thoughts, let me know what you think. thanks

 

golem, just asking. you said quote: Who says they're too little too late? this post was on i think feb, 22. i could be wrong but in the area. so did the sanctions in your opinion work? and are they working now? yes the russian economy is in trouble. but do you think that will effect what putin does now? any opinion you care to give me will be great. thanks.

 

Did you say "did"? Why? Is the war over?

So with too many words all you wanted to know is if they WILL work? My answer: I hope so. Or did you have an alternative?

 

So the fact that inflation outpaces wage gains, the labor participation rate is lower than in 2019, and the fact that we may be heading into a recession because of the high gas prices are all signs of a strong economy?

Interesting.

 

Are "signs"? You need to learn a little about economy if you pretend to engage in a serious discussion. NONE of those factors define whether an economy is strong or not (least of all one that starts with "we may be..." which is just plain ridiculous.)

But this thread is not about the economy. It's about the costs of defending democracy. So if you have nothing to contribute to the topic, you're on your own.... Not interested.

 

Why do you think the "news" media and politicians are responsible for the unbridled hatred amongst Americans?

 

Because they are. :shrug: Do you think that they have no impact what so ever on peoples thoughts? That would run counter to your claims about Trump you know. How can one man have such an affect that Trump haters claim he has, yet the thousands of people that make up the news media and politicians not have an even greater impact?

 

Back on topic.......

 

Literally the first line of your OP:

So inflation outpacing wage gains, a lower labor participation rate, and heading to a recession are all signs of a strong economy? I think you're being a little silly, sir. Pardon my French. I don't mean to get vulgar, but I think you might be talking a bunch of hogwash.

 

I didn't say that. I asked you why you made that statement but didn't offer an opinion on it.

Apples and oranges.

Trump is a lifelong con man. He knows how to "work the crowd". He doesn't need to do anything except tell people what they want to hear even when he's pathologically lying. He's in his 70s or 80s as has been working his cons his whole life and any law enforcement officer will tell you the best con men/women are so good at it that their marks (targets) don't even know it's happening.

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That's something different than "normal" petty games played by the media.

The news media, politicians, dirty politics, etc.. NONE of that would work if people didn't allow it to work. If we paid attention to what is happening without ignoring anything we don't agree with or simply turned it off, the media would have no choice but stop the toxic BS.

Same with politicians. If we didn't already harbor <X emotions> and <Y opinions> and <Z non-negotiables> it is absolutely impossible for politicians to feed into that. Again, if we turn it off and spent more time demanding them to cut the nonsense and get to the task of leading our country, they'd have to. No television station is going to keep running the same stuff if they stop making money.

We, collectively, are the problem. I'll move away from politics since we're not in agreement on that. Princess Diana died in a horrific car crash because the Paparazzi caused a collision simply trying to get photos for whatever media outlet. If people weren't constantly prying into other people's personal lives (and public figures deserve to go out with friends, have a meal in peace and have their private lives stay private. Celebrities and politicians deserve to have their minor children's not plastered everywhere. Those kids didn't sign up to be adults' targets). Sure, some of that comes with being high profile but it's nothing but childish games and the media has no reason to stop playing them as long as they are getting paid and they stop getting paid when we hit the "off" button and don't click on the baiting links.

@CuriousAlways said "We get the government we deserve" and she's absolutely right. Maybe it's snobbish but I think I deserve better than what either side is offering.

 

quote: Or did you have an alternative? yes, quite playing around with sanctions. go all out now! cut russia off from all repeat all world banking, stop importing all repeat all oil/n.g from russia, and nation that still does. then cut them off also. no selling to russia, of anything. from any nation. or cut them off also. give ukraine the migs they need. move in patriot a/a missiles into ukraine. and when putin claims nuk war/w.w.iii ignore him do it any way. he is x-kgb. he knows how to bluff. if you remember putin never pulled any of this when trump was president. putin sat very quite the whole 4 years. but with bobo--putin envaded Crimea and bobo did nothing. now with biden in office. putin goes after all of Ukraine. and biden wimps around about doing any thing. putin knows who and how to bluff lib dems. he didn't mess with trump.

 

Are you claiming the US is more energy independent now than we were in 2020? Seriously?

 

Reduce your use of the vehicle and either walk or ride a bicycle when at all possible. It's better for you both health-wise and financially.

That and both the middle class which he is in the process of doing. If he can get both houses of congress to work together you'll see numerous changes that benefit all take place.