Russia Angrily Demands U.S. Stop Sending Weapons to Ukraine

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    You don't know that the total population controlled by Russia is less than two thirds of the number controlled by the U.S.S.R. when it collapses?
     
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    All three of the big nations do.

    Insane (and objectionable) that so many Westerners are so oblivious to the food issue .. but not suprising given we haven't had to think about it in 80+ years.
     
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    Spend a couple of hours looking at non-Western news sources, and you'll realise we're being lied to wholesale. If you still can't see it after that, it means you have some personal reason to stay in denial. No one can help you if so ... no 'proofs' will be good enough.
     
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    You need to let go of your media-fostered impression that this is all about Pootin/Russia. It isn't.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmmm .. I think Putin has invested less as a percentage of income in Military than we have .. we are north of 1.2 Trillion "Total" Military Spending .. all in .. VA -Pensions Homeland Security .. .. think Putin was around 60 Billion which is a 20 times multiplier.. our income roughly 3.6 Trillion ... Putin's income would then be 180 Billion .. .. don't have that number .. but would be 1/3rd of his revenue .. which I don't think is happening.. but .. thats the number we need.

    In general most nations that matter have been verring money away from Military Spending - towards infrastructure .. having a bit of a chuckle at our expense.. as our spend is obscene .. specially for what we get for it... We will end up spending half as much on this war as Russia when the tail is told .. a pure random jest of a guess .. but interesting number to track ..
     
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    Which nations are they?
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is more fallacious reasoning, on your part-- nothing of the kind is indicated, by my thinking that you're talking through your hat. You have offered no proof, or links, and have gone at least 3 posts avoiding giving me a simple yes or no answer, to my question about "reserve currency" status, of the ruble, in Israel. That makes the stuff you are posting, on par with any ridiculous- sounding conspiracy theory.
    HELLO!


    That is the full foundation of your assertion: your own say-so. And if I don't accept, what I find to be a completely unsupported & farfetched idea from you, you are additionally asserting that is proof that I don't care about my national currency?
    OK, rocket man, have a nice trip!
     
  8. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    In terms of population, Russia isn't even among the top three nations. They are in order China, India, United States, and Indonesia.
     
  9. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    That's not "proving it". And I'm not doing your research for you.
     
  10. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Please prove all of those claims,
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    Your responses tell me you've not thought critically about what's happening .. at all. Your emotional reactivity shows you perceive information suggestive of global uncertainty, as personally insulting.

    If you were able to observe events in a clinical and detached way, you would see that very little is certain ... and that includes America's invulnerability. The dollar's demise however, is as close as it gets to certain in these fluid times. It's days are numbered. When the other side of the East/West dynamic has the majority of people and resources, it's just a matter of time.
     
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    My friend, I've done little else BUT research these past several months. It's you who needs to do their homework.
     
  13. crank

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    There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

    This is about EAST vs WEST ... and the East WILL win. It's so ****ing obvious at this point that I wonder why the West is wasting so much energy and so many lives on this futile last hurrah.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So - after wading through sewers - climbing high mountains .. you have finally realized who the prophet is :) So it is written .. So it shall be done !
     
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    I was just trying to make you feel better.. Rottin Ronnie and Dirty Daddy Bush don't look so bad compared to the Biden Obama JV Team .. war criminals the lot .. either way. but Trump .. .. why you lump Trump in with the Dirty Dozen ? .. seems under his watch we managed not to achieve too many atrocities..
     
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    most of Russia's population and industry is in the WEST genius.
     
  17. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    And that's your whole definition of what an American president should do or not do?
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not even close. Just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

    And if you were able to supply any evidence for your prognostications, you would be able to make a stronger, maybe even an actual, case. As it is, I might as well be hearing this from a palm- reader.


    Your quote is hilarious, though. Picking up where I'd left off:

    So very little is certain-- except your words!! LMAO. Sure, Crank, I don't believe in the government, God, the Church, or humans in general, but I'll put all my faith in your unsupported contentions; at least, that's what anyone who saw things in a clinical and detached way, would do. You've convinced me, with that brilliant argument, since I do think of myself as a logical thinker...
    Except, you know that the word "clinical," suggests actual scientific trial of something, yielding real data, right? So how is it not being clinical minded, for me to expect some confirming evidence for your predictions?
     
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    Ability to run conspiracies must include ability to choose reliable co-conspirators, otherwise all the cats and their in-laws will be out of all bags in no time.

    The problem with long-term conspiracies, involving large numbers of people, is that there's a huge quantity of unknown, and impossible to predict, factors that can easily destroy the whole scaffold. Like Trump losing the election for a second term.

    I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories.
     
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    I wasn't referring to specific interests regarding Ukraine, but to the general interests of NATO, including the ability to negotiate with sovereign states.
     
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    I'm not aware of any agreement to trade in rubles.

    The agreement regarding the yuan is between Bank Leumi in Israel and the Bank of China, not between the two states. Its purpose is to make life easier for the Israeli companies operating in China.
    https://english.leumi.co.il/Articles/42556/

    The yuan has been recently added by the Central Bank of Israel to its currency basket, alongside the Canadian and the Australian dollar and the yen. No ruble there yet.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-to-206-billion-reserves-in-philosophy-change
     
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    Why would you ask for such a strange definition. .. is that a point you are trying to make .. just curious..

    but to humor you a bit .. a couple things I can think of a President shouldn't be doing

    1) Supporting nasty dictators using poison gas against citizens like Rotten Ronnie and Dirty Daddy Bush
    2) Arming and supporting the 911 Terrorist group Al Qaeda Like the Obama-Hillary-Biden trinity
    3) Trashing the constitution, Rule of Law, Founding Principle -- ubiquitous

    I could go on for pages .. but something for you to chew .. and don't forget to tell us what your point is - at some point :)
     
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    That's very dishonest. The fact is that the Russians insisted on the implementation of so call Minsk's Accords. They have never asked for Donetsk and Luhansk regions to be separate entities. And all those regions asked for is the autonomy within the Ukrainian state. The side which signed both Minsk 1 and 2 Accords (France and Germany were guarantors), refused to implement them. Ukraine. Why? DC Washington policy makers ordered them not to.
     
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    Just the Prophecy mate .. :) "Dat which Was Fore-Told you" Listen ye not what been told you.. all mixed up .. confused . not able to comprehend .. the Gift been given ..

    Never you have prophetic word no ? not able to divine the future ? never had a bet come in - or call for rain ? Disbeliever .. in yourself !?
     
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    Point #01
    That the so-called other side supplied the enemy with weapons was and always is. Putin should just keep his mouth shut and look in the mirror to whom he sold all that Russian war technology!
    We could also go back in history for examples... from whom again did North Vietnam get the evil SAM's anti-aircraft missiles that shot down US planes by the hundreds in the Vietnam War, eh?
    Who did the mujahedin in Afghanistan get the Stinger portable anti-aircraft missiles from back in the 1980's, eh?
    So no hypocrisy please!

    Point #02
    That Crimea remained part of Ukraine after the end of the USSR was a bad accident of history. The reason was that at that time Ukraine suddenly became the third largest nuclear power in world after the USA and Russia, which nobody including Ukraine wanted. So the then weak Russian President Yeltsin made a totally idiotic deal under pressure from the USA... Ukraine gives all nuclear weapons to Russia, keeps Crimea and Russia gets Sevastopol as a naval base for their Black Sea Fleet by leasing! That was total bullshit because Crimea had been part of Russia since Catherine the Great conquered it in 1784. Only in the 1950's was it granted within the USSR under (the Ukrainian) Nikita Krushchev for administrative reasons from the Russian Soviet Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic. Of course, at that time no one even dreamed that 40 years later there would be no more USSR!
    It is also a fact that around 85% of the population in Crimea are Russians!

    Point #02-a
    In eastern Ukraine it is similar within the affected areas in terms of population with about 80% Russians!
    They actually only wanted autonomy, but that has changed in the meantime.

    And that brings us to the crucial point here:
    If in Kosovo, which has been part and province of Serbia since time immemorial and where around 80% of the population is not Serbs but Albanians, want their independence because they were so badly oppressed by Belgrade ... then NATO will make short work of it and help the Albanians!
    But if that's what the Russians want in Ukraine, like here, then it's suddenly something completely different...
    Sorry, but that's stinking, disgusting hypocrisy!

    Point #03
    Ukraine is within the sphere of interests of Russia and Russia's interference in this sphere is suddenly evil because it violates Ukraine's sovereignty.
    Sorry, but again totally disgusting hypocrisy!
    Americans in particular have to be very ashamed, have to shut up here and to look in the mirror first before accusing Russia!
    In their sphere of influence - the Caribbean and Central America - the USA gave and give a crap on any sovereignty of the countries concerned if it disturbs and endangers the interests of the USA!
    If so, then the same law of accepting sovereignity full applies here for everyone and also the same moral standard for everyone!

    Point #04
    Personally, I had never had a problem with Russia occupying Crimea and I wouldn't have had a problem with it now if he had occupied the relevant regions in eastern Ukraine in the same way.... see point #02!
    But no... Putin is about all of Ukraine, overthrowing the government and installing a vassal regime... like in Belarus and Chechnya.
    This is a "no go" and a criminal war of aggression without any "if, but and when"!
    And for whatever reason, Putin and his regime apparently thought that the Ukrainians as a whole would greet the Russian armed forces with flowers as liberators, because they are the alleged brother people and are actually completely part of Russia etc.
    We all know by now that this view was bullshit, because the days of the USSR are long gone and all the sovereign states that emerged from the USSR have now gained their own national identity among the population, WITHOUT looking back at the common past in the USSR!
     

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