The best summation of the hub and spoke conspiracy surrounding 1/6

So, that means this worthless pos traitor has turned our government into some kind of toxic "reality" show.

Which means we are living among other adults that are extremely vulnerable to BS.

Which is frightening.

 

At no point did Trump advocate for entry into the capitol however, or even for that matter a dissolving or limitation of the legislature. Rather, he wanted them to vote to certify him instead of Biden. Immoral? Yes. Amoral? Certainly. A 'selfcoup' or any type of coup? It was not. The DOJ isn't arguing it, half of America doesn't believe it and the other half is going to cry in their pillows about this.

 

sadly... yes, exactly that

 

They like to quibble and complain.

Let's say we give him the benefit of the doubt about the Capitol riot.

There is no denying...

He appointed DeJoy to slow down mail in non-R counties,
Plotted with Powell and Rudy to submit BS claims to various courts
Is extorting Rs saying he won't back them if they don't repeat the Big Lie,
Has fired everyone that won't live in his crazy fantasy,
Has lashed out at just about everyone under the sun (no impulse control),
Has misappropriated funds from various sources,
Continues to malign our current POTUS and leaders,
He is emotionally stunted and highly inappropriate,
He blocked a peaceful transfer of power,
He continues to lie to them and fleece them for $,
Has disrespected the loved ones of 9/11 victims,
Has disrespected our military and veterans countless times,
Has no respect for the laws governing an exiting POTUS,
Is too close to Xi and Putin, raising doubts about his fidelity to us and our classified information,
He's a stupid, arrogant, boorish, selfish unkempt ball of craziness.

And, on and on. None of those pre-emptive strikes would have been necessary if he didn't already know that he was going to be fired.

Even without the Capitol riot, he's shown the entire world that he is not fit to govern our country. He was fired because he didn't do his job. There is no reason on Earth to rehire an employee that can't do the job for which they were hired.

 

if trump did not know that his inner circle of flynn, bannon, stone, guliani and the rest were planning to enter the capital and kill uncooperative congresscritters he is too stupid to be president. trere is less evidence that bin laden approved 9/11 than there is that trump knew, and liked, exactly what was happening.

"they are not here to hurt me " trump

 

For a "stable genius" that "amazed" his doctors by recalling five words, he sure has quite a few "memory lapses". /smdh

 

It's not even a direct quote, hell, it's not even a transcript. Half of what took place in the committee meetings would literally be inadmissible, as well as a bunch of leading questions. I do believe Garland when says his department has and continues to investigate the matter, I also believe the department has gotten disposition statements of various sorts from the 800 defendants.

If the Department felt this thing had legs, it would act on it. Cult be damned.. But it doesn't have legs.

 

There was no such mail conspiracy leading up to the November elections. In truth and in fact, the Senate just this year passed the MANY reforms Dejoy asked for. The conspiracy was Pelosi slandering the general headmaster of the post office, for her electional purposes. If Pelosi were in any other district but San Fransisco, she'd be easily defeated but she's in a safe district so a Republican challenger is unlikely.

 

Because it is a conspiracy short on fact and long on guess work. There is not now nor is there yet any evidence that either Trump nor any congressman or any one in Trump's inner circle ever had anything to do with the rioters.

 

Ari is a lawyer, and knows what he's talking about.

 

There seems to be an accumulation of evidence. I think you missed the point of the video, which suggested that there was a bit more than just the rioting to factor in.

 

But the only illegal thing was the rioting. The rest of it was trying to work within the confines of the system. By the way the rioting benefited the Current admin far more than it did Trump. It guaranteed that the actual legal challenges died in their crib.

 

I actually think that's a decent argument. Trump was wanting to do X, Y, Z but his lawyers said it was illegal, so he didn't.

The argument Ari is trying to make is that the accumulation of all these sets up intent for a coup on 1/6.

 

Which absent any proof of an organizational link between the Trump campaign and the rioters is like try to blame the British Tories for the Beer Hall Puscht.

 

Not 'see', but 'seize a lot of those voting machines' via the military (who else is going to 'seize' them) I turned on captions and not only did Melber repeat what Navarro said, using 'seize' the captions confirmed that was what he said. Even if it were the FBI whom he meant to do the seizing, it's just as unconstitutional either way, and arguing whether it's military or not is pettifogging the issue, noting that Trump asked Milley if he could 'shoot' citizen protesters, which tells us he had considered using the military for a murderous political end.

Trump's telling the SS to 'take down the mags' ( the metal detectors) in order to allow an armed mob in preempts any notion that his intent was 'peaceful'. That is probably the most damning aspect of the entire charge.

The issue is responsibility for 1/6 which resulted in ......

.,the prevention, hindering, or delaying the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof,,,, (fulfills the sedition charge)

Responsibility..... is the operative word, and the issue is whether or not Trump is responsible.

I say he is. His incessant charge that 'democrats stole the election' a charge which he made months before the first ballot was cast, created the intense hatred resulting in the juggernaut of rage which he unleashed, intending for an armed mob to be included in the attack. His fleeting 'peacefully' comment amounts to a spoonful of water on a dumpster fire, I doubt that gets him off the hook. That was a crowd in rage, and that rage came from Trump, who told his believers that the election was stolen, and they had to fight like hell to get it back, toss in a mob ensconced in military gear, and what could possibly go wrong?

His intent was to be 'wild' and to 'fight like hell' and to 'take the mags down because the armed mob are not there to hurt me' and 'stop the steal'.

If the armed mob are not there to hurt Trump, then it begs the question: 'who are they there to hurt?'

So, a persuasive attorney might be able to convince a jury. We shall see.

In the sense that he is using a violent means to remain in power, could be considered as a coup aka 'self - coup' or 'autocoup', but a coup, nevertheless.

But, I don't really care, as long as Trump is indicted for something and convicted. He committed crimes, as to which one, we shall see how it pans out.

 

And such can happen on the other side of the aisle. :shrug:

 

it would take 12 of those jurors to convict, only one to get a hung jury

 

Point still stands though. Frankly I'd be more worried if only one type of political view was represented. Either for X or against X. That's when an unjust verdict is more likely to happen. As evidenced by the Jim Crow and KKK days.

Also, hung juries can be retried, an unjust ruling of acquittal by the jury cannot be.

 

And, it would appear, if not dealt with or "dissuaded", is in full continuation mode on a local level. DOJ's time is running thin.

 

lol

 

people that have followed trump for decades always knew the man had "something wrong with him" yet we have a label TDS applied to us and even sader these trump "loyalists" claim the label PATRIOTS, this is an embarrassment for the whole country that has STILL not completely wound itself down as the trumpers still shout loudly from the rooftops whenever given a chance

 

Up is down, down is up. Seriously, it's a cult thing. As a side note, the Jan 6th, insurrectionist that just got seven years, just listen to what his own daughter said he did whenever Trump spoke on TV et al. I believe they said he would drop to his knees or some such. That's seriously ****ed up!

 

No I don't think that. I think they are being obsessively thorough. Or, part of the conspiracy to end These United States. The evidence to indict is unquestionably there.

 

Please place your quote tags accurately, that was not my quote.