China warns of 'worst consequences' for any country that supports Taiwan militarily

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  1. ShadowX

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    False. Native Americans endured not only slavery and Jim Crow but also attempted genocide. They also live in extreme poverty (on average worse than black people).

    Why don’t they have absurdly high levels of violent crime?

    Furthermore those statistics are true in EVERY first world nation that keeps those statistics. Blacks ALWAYS commit a grossly disproportionate amount of the violent crime compared to their population rate REGARDLESS of country.

    Therefore the argument that American culture or history caused these issues is not logically sufficient to explain the situation.
     
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    Trump spent 4 years licking Putins boots.

    And Those "sanctions" you say he announced were NEVER put into place.

    Trump's lips were locked to Putins ass for 4 years.

    Republicans own this.
     
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    I totally defer to the above. Did no mean to say anything that contradicts the above. Thank you.
     
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    Defer to above comments.
     
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    1. I never argued that homo sapiens (that is the proper name of our species)is incapable of determining any method to determine if one person is smarter than another. Please do not misrepresent what I stated.

    2. I did state it is absurd you would use someone's secondary genetic characteristics such as nose shape, lip size, hair texture, eye shape or amount of melanin in their skin to suggest it makes them a distinct type of homo sapiens let alone causes them to have lower intelligence than other homo sapiens whose skin is paler or have thinner noses or straight hair. You argue that which if anything is not just ignorant of what intelligence is, but how it is measured in tests let alone what genetic attributes might lead to discrepancies in intelligence level between homo sapiens.

    3. I never raised any argument or position of :"What IQ tests measure directly...." you now do with the above response. Stop misrepresenting what I in fact stated previously.

    You asked me why blacks on average seem incapable of producing the same level of scores on"those" particular cognitive skills even though they are taught from Kindergarten...." You also used the word "negroid".

    I in fact answered your question.

    First let me comment on your use of the word "negroid". You are very well aware the categories of Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid (originally named "Ethiopian") were introduced in the 1780s by members of the Göttingen School of History who were historians and anthropologists not geneticists, psychologists, anthropologists or neurologists with any training in neurology, physiology, genetics or biology. They did not invent it as a scientific term but as as a subjective term used to generalize secondary characteristics of people from Africa, Asia and Europe.

    Genetic and biological sciences evolved and have proven the fallacy of these categories and how they have no relevance to genetic distinction which would necessarily include intelligence. This is why for example in 2019, the American Association of Physical Anthropologists stated: "Race does not provide an accurate representation of human biological variation. It was never accurate in the past, and it remains inaccurate when referencing contemporary human populations."

    source: American Association of Physical Anthropologists (27 March 2019). "AAPA Statement on Race and Racism". American Association of Physical Anthropologists. Retrieved 19 June 2020.

    Science has proven that "there is so much ambiguity between the races, and so much variation within them, that two people of European descent may be more genetically similar to an Asian person than they are to each other"1 rendering your use of such categories to be not only obsolete but stupid.
    1-https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/

    The fact you insist on using this subjective outmoded categorization and pose as if it is still valid attests I would suggest to your political beliefs nothing else.

    Next. Would you be capable of understanding what cultural bias is in testing if it was explained to you?

    The fact you pose I did not explain it to you and you never thought of it would suggest again you either are genuinely ignorant of that concept or are deliberately pretending you never heard of it. I suspect the latter and attribute it to your political beliefs.

    Since you ask again (which I believe you do not want an answer for) let's respond again.

    "Many psychologists believe that the idea that a test can be completely absent of cultural bias--a recurrent hope of test developers in the 20th century--is contradicted by the weight of the evidence. Raven's Progressive Matrices, for example, is one of several nonverbal intelligence tests that were originally advertised as "culture free," but are now recognized as culturally loaded."

    https://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/intelligence

    The tests you think you refer to and clearly do not understand can be explained to have cultural biases that would distort their findings. In your world all people tested live in the exact same environment. It wouldn't dawn on you their culture, food they eat in their formative years of development, exposure to certain chemicals, could factor into the differences you think you see in only blacks.

    So now I wish to make this crystal clear. I did not say homo sapiens can not measure intelligence ever. What I did say is to do it accurately one would have to account for differences in culture, learning and other disabilities, specific medical illnesses and other factors such as diet, exposure to violence and repeated stress, clearly things you do not understand may determine differences in test results that have nothing to do with someone being black, yellow or white using your absurd categories.

    This is why the above article stated: "Recently, she and Ashley Maynard, PhD, now a professor of psychology at the University of Hawaii, conducted studies of cognitive development among children in a Zinacantec Mayan village in Chiapas, Mexico, using toy looms, spools of thread and other materials drawn from the local environment. The research convinced Greenfield that the children's development can be validly compared to the progression described by Western theories of development, but only by using testing materials and experimental designs based on the Zinacantec culture."

    That was my point that you either did not understand or deliberately deny understanding.

    I also directly responded to your question in regards to the "black white" differences in testing and quoted the following:

    "There is no direct genetic evidence for or against the theory that the black-white gap is innate, because we have not yet identified the genes that affect skills like reading, math, and abstract reasoning. Studies of mixed-race children and black children adopted by white parents suggest, however, that racial differences in test performance are largely if not entirely environmental in origin."

    The words came from this article that I provided and directly answered you:

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...ore-gap-why-it-persists-and-what-can-be-done/

    This is why I state what I have above and responded to you earlier and now repeat the same point again with this reference:

    "..IQ is not a measure of inherited, permanent, unvarying intellectual potential. Although it is often discussed as if it is. It does measure, albeit imperfectly, how well one has mastered certain intellectual skills such as literacy and the ability to analyze and use basic math. People who do this less well than others may have intellectual deficits or they may be suffering from poor educational exposure, trauma, poisoning or even from poverty. So IQ is a useful metric for perceiving such limitations, but NOT for discerning that one has a genetic or permanent intellectual decrease: unfortunately it is routinely interpreted in this manner to claim the innately lower intelligence of dark-skinned people."

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...heres-what-that-really-means/?sh=768eced04490
     
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    So before I take my time to respond to the rest of this ridiculously absurd, inane bs... let me just say of this piece in particular, maybe you should ACTUALLY read what the **** you write before you get up here and open your mouth acting all indignant.

    I’ll even be helpful and quote the relevant part of your post for you. From Post # 216

    “Finally and you clearly do not understand, there is no direct test for general mental ability. I quote, "Let's start with the fact that there is no such thing as a direct test of general mental ability. What IQ tests measure directly is the test-taker's display of particular cognitive skills: size of vocabulary, degree of reading comprehension, facility with analogies, and so on. Any conclusions about general mental ability are inferences drawn from the test-taker's relative mastery of those various skills." source: https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...ng-the-connection-between-race-and-iq/275876/

    Interesting. That looks exactly like what I said it did and what you spent half of your last post claiming you didn’t say.
     
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    Evidently Shadow X you do remember I did quote the following as you repeated it in your latest response to me:

    "Finally and you clearly do not understand, there is no direct test for general mental ability. I quote, "Let's start with the fact that there is no such thing as a direct test of general mental ability. What IQ tests measure directly is the test-taker's display of particular cognitive skills: size of vocabulary, degree of reading comprehension, facility with analogies, and so on. Any conclusions about general mental ability are inferences drawn from the test-taker's relative mastery of those various skills." source: https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...ng-the-connection-between-race-and-iq/275876/

    Your response to the above was to state to me:

    "Since you want to play this little game of oh “What IQ tests measure directly is the test-taker's display of particular cognitive skills: size of vocabulary, degree of reading comprehension, facility with analogies//"

    So this is when I responded:

    "3. I never raised any argument or position of :"What IQ tests measure directly...." you now do with the above response. Stop misrepresenting what I in fact stated previously."

    Now in your latest response you state:
    "..let me just say of this piece in particular, maybe you should ACTUALLY read what the **** you write before you get up here and open your mouth acting all indignant."

    First of you projected on to what I said the emotion or feeling of indignance.Please do not tell me how I feel. You do not know. You assume.

    Next maybe you should actually read what I wrote.

    You not only misrepresented what I stated the first time but you now do it a second time precisely because you do not read or you have some kind of cognitive issue that prevents you from reading.

    I can NOT have a position on what IQ tests measure directly because they DO NOT MEASURE ANYTHING DIRECTLY.

    You think IQ tests measure directly I do not because they never have. That is not a position or an argument it is a fact. This is why you can not provide any basis to show IQ tests measure anything directly which was the point you did not understand and base your false assumption it can so it can state "negroids" are not as high as others with iq tests. You clearly do not understand what it tests.

    No I can;t argue or have a position on something you think exists but does not and that is why I corrected you.

    You make false assumptions of what you think I think, argue or pose. There is nothing to argue. There is no position. IQ's do not measure intelligence directly. Its not a game its a fact.

    Go on provide your basis to assume any position any argument you want that IQ tests measure intelligence directly.

    Present your basis. You can't because its false.

    It is an assumption based on your ignorance as to what IQ tests in fact do.

    Let me spell it out more clearly for you-I can't argue or have a position with something that does not exist. I can only point out it does not exist.

    Are you really that unable to read?

    Next did you think this deflection from the other comments you made and were repudiated now just goes poof?

    You came on the board to engage in political agenda based on making derogatory stereotypes based on false assumptions as to "negroids".

    You have been called out.

    Why are you even on a thread about the Chinese Taiwan conflict engaging in such ****? How is it even remotely relevant to the topic?

    Hey I do not hide what I am. Its spelled JEW. How about you? You want to start a thread on racist ideology start one and come out of the closet and explain your actual agenda and stop trolling on this thread.



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    I don't know how you can possibly prove your statement to be true. In point of fact, Nature itself, recognizes the strength of diversity: that is the basis of evolution. If a population were all identical, since all life has its weaknesses, it would mean that the entire population would have the
    SAME WEAKNESS. This is a recipe for the destruction of said population.

    To be less gruesome, I will use vegetative, plant life, to illustrate my point. The reason why there was a famine in 19th century Ireland, was not just because of a disease that struck their potato crop: it was because that crop was a
    monoculture. It was: 1) planted contiguously, and everywhere throughout Ireland's farmlands; and 2) it was all a SINGLE POTATO STRAIN. Therefore, none of the crop possessed any resistance, to the blight. Had there been numerous potato varieties (there are over a hundred of them), some might have survived, and slowed the spread of the affliction.

    What would have been an even better defense, would have been if there had been entirely different crops, interspersed with the potato crop, to prevent its unmitigated expansion.
    Homogeneity, in Ireland's agriculture, was what insured it's demise.

    The exact same principle applies, regarding human immune systems; and peoples from different parts of the world have, historically, encountered different pathogens, so developed geographically- based immunities. The child of parents with different genetic immunities, benefits from inheriting a wider resistance to disease, than either of its parents.
     
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    I actually used to appreciate that same, seeming incongruity of the law. But it really isn't an inconsistency, when you consider that laws are, conditional. That is to say, the same action, under different circumstances, can be treated completely differently, by the law. For example, killing another person can be considered homicide. Or it can be manslaughter. Or it can be justified, self- defense. Or it can be considered, serving your country, in a time of war.

    Likewise, police are allowed to do things which, done by civilians, could subject them to criminal prosecution (as from breaking down someone's door, in the middle of the night, to apprehend them, and conduct a search for drugs, etc.). So, if that is not a "double standard," then nor should abortion be seen as such. Just as police (or doctors) are considered as a
    special class, afforded the right to act on decisions, which others are not permitted the right to make, so are pregnant mothers, to a certain stage of gestation, at least, given the right to decide to end their own pregnancy. No one else (except potentially a doctor, in a very unusual situation) has the right to kill that developing child. But being considered, in this circumstance, a special class-- the mother does.
     
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    I also doubt he will understand your point.

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    Other nations laugh at America, especially militarily when Democrat Politicians are in office. Especially when Democrat Politicians are in the presidency.

    When Democrat Politicians are in power, they usually defund, and weaken our Military. I try to buy American as much as I can. \
    Democrats and their politicians talk about equality, and yet there are so many sweat shops making nike products and other products, just so Venture capitialists, like people off shark tank can make more money, instead of giving Americans more jobs, and making our economy better.
     
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    I think your personal bias and hatred has clouded your judgement. I think Trump approached international politics like a business being antagonistic and friendly towards Putin to get what he wants.

    I hate Trump as well but if he was president right now, I doubt Russia would have invaded Ukraine. That is the sad truth when you have a weak leader like Biden who has had personal dealings with Ukraine for the past 15 years. It sucks having truly back to back absolutely horrid presidents.
     
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    They weren't emboldened during those 4 years. They are emboldened now.
     
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    ~ I agree. China seems to want war. They may get their wish ...
     
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    This happens only in Winnie the Pooh's dreams.
     
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    Bloodiest of wars often start with a miscalculation.
     
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    That's a silly test written by leftists who are ignorant of history. I suggest avoiding it all together. That test will rot your brain.
     
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    Socialism at its finest.
     
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    nah if they did they would intercept Nancy plane. Unlike Putin, China strategy is always steady, slow, and in the long term. in the coming week expecting chinese military to have more fly over, military exercise etc. in the long time, they likely accelerate their military modernization. they still doing their 2035, and 2049 plan right now, also their economy is slow down due to covid, they need concentrate on that first.
     
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