study of the origins of covid in wuhan

these guys (actual virologists) studied the genetics and case histories of the first 174 cases (based on who and cdc data) in wuhan. they make an excellent case for the original cases in the wuhan market.

don't like who and cdc data? maybe your facebook buddies have better sources. . we had an epidemiologist assigned to the wuhan lab who may have given us better data, but, of course, trump recalled her before the pandemic began.

Study finds Wuhan market as likely origin of COVID-19 pandemic | Tulane News

“This is the largest in-depth study of the origin of SARS-CoV-2 that we've been able to do yet,” said Garry, professor of microbiology and immunology at Tulane University School of Medicine. “This gives us a very granular, very detailed idea about those early days…basically December of 2019, where we can actually pinpoint the location of where this virus emerged into the human population.”

 

Of course they do! They have Tucker Carlson!

 

Traitor Trump went against his advisors and publicly praised Xi several times (while he was denying investigators access to the Wuhan Lab).





He's never played for our team.

 

and of course, it is only coincidence that it happened near a laboratory which was likely performing similar experiments. The wet market might be the source, but do you really trust the Chinese that much?

 

Science is voided because of political trust....kind of a red herring.

 

Trust in an idiot isn't really trust. It's undeserved faith.

 

Makes perfect sense. Those markets are serious cesspools for cross contamination et al.

I could never figure out why the Chinese would intentionally release this virus when the were still doing lock downs in the homeland a few weeks back. Their home economy has also been hammered and as a world "depopulator", the virus failed epically.
In addition, the pandemic exposed the weakness of offshore manufacturing re certain products and most first world countries are taking steps to remedy this now.

 

The science depended on data supplied by the Chinese.

 

Data is something that other scientists can prove right or wrong. Opinion of something cannot be proved.

 

The study depended on tracing where the Covid came from. Such as it came from the NW corner of the wet market. Where do you think such data came from? Do you really trust the Chinese not to have manipulated that data?

 

Do you really think the scientists in the rest of the world are too stupid to understand that?

 

They came to their conclusions based on information only the Chinese could supply.

 

How the hell do you trace down to a specific corner of a marketplace when the thing is supposed to he airbourne and can spread to anyone who even remotely think about it?

 

SELLING US THE ROPE TO HANG US WITH: TWICE! China May Have Double-Billed U.S. For Wuhan Lab Projects.



And they say that we can't cut the budget by even a penny on the dollar, but, we can fund bioweapons research in a China lab and be double billed for it.

 

i certainly do not trust trump's or "america's first line internet pill mill" data.

 

is there a source for the quotes in the "victory girls" article?

"quotations must be attributed to original source." ms wheat (rampart's journalism teacher ) (or must i now call her a "groomer?")

 

Sorry, but unless they have access to what is called "patient zero" there is no way to determine with such accuracy that it came from a wet market in a city. You can narrow it down to within miles of a break out origin area, but not down to a wet market in a city.

 

This 2022 study was funded by the NIH ... this is the actual report the OP article links to..... the biggest take away is.... there was no study of the wuhan lab.... they just show studies of the market....

""we do not have access to the precise latitude and longitude coordinates of all of these cases. Should such data exist, they may be accompanied by additional metadata, some of which we have reconstructed, but some of which, including the date of onset of each case, would be valuable for ongoing studies. We also lack direct evidence of an intermediate animal infected with a SARS-CoV-2 progenitor virus either at the Huanan market or at a location connected to its supply chain, such as a farm. Additionally, no line list of early COVID-19 cases is available, and we do not have complete details of environmental sampling.""


This 2022 study was funded by the NIH ... this is the actual report the OP article links to

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715
This project has been funded in part with federal funds from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health (NIH), Department of Health and Human Services (contract no. 75N93021C00015 to M.W.). J.I.L. acknowledges support from the NIH (grant 5T32AI007244-3. S.A.G. acknowledges support from the NIH (grant F32AI152341). J.E.P. acknowledges support from the NIH (grant T15LM011271). J.O.W. acknowledges support from NIH (grants AI135992 and AI136056).

 

There are nearly 40,000 wet markets in China. Don't you find it a bit unlikely that it would pick the one in a city which is doing make a function research rather than one of the other nearly 39,999 wet markets?

 

Strange..... the Wuhan lab was never mentioned in this 2022 article or the actual "Science" study .... if one was to argue whether it came from a lab or market.... would you not includes study of both to compare? ""We also lack direct evidence of an intermediate animal infected with a SARS-CoV-2 progenitor virus either at the Huanan market or at a location connected to its supply chain, such as a farm."" Did they look into the Wuhan lab for ""direct evidence of an intermediate animal infected with a SARS-CoV-2" ..... I'm thinking there may be a few animals infected in there...

If it was so contagious.... where are all the dead Horseshoe bats in China?

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

 

i don't know where it came from, but i believe my op cites research from a tulane u microbiologist.

if you're guessing "lab leak" do you think it was a deliberate release in their own city or accidental/careless?

 

I have no idea on that. However, it is extremely unlikely that it would pick that particular wet market when it could have just as easily picked one of the others. That is just too much of a coincidence to be believable.

 

evolution does not "pick" environments, and who knows how often or where this thing started or the sanitary conditions in thousands of wet markets.

 

The odds are 39,999 to one that it would not be that particular market. Where I come from that is a really bad bet.

 

but what are the "sanitary conditions" in a Wuhan lab... your OP article completely leaves out any lab data or reference to the The Wuhan Institute of Virology