DOJ announces special counsel for Trump-related Mar-a-Lago and January 6 criminal investigations

I would expect nothing less.

 

Tax violations, RICO violations, influence peddling that is why a special porsecutor read the emails from the laptop and the statements of the business partners.

 

Gee, I don't know. Maybe because Trump is ALREADY a proven criminal. And as for Biden... well... they can't even say what his "crime" is supposed to be.

 

How many times? You, nor anyone else, has ever mentioned it to me.

However, regarding the veracity of your statement:

To anyone but the sitting president, correct, but it does dictate that the sitting president cannot be indicted.

Thing is, Mueller chose to abide by it, and he didn't have to.

https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blaw/olc/sitting_president.htm

Our view remains that a sitting President is constitutionally immune from indictment and criminal prosecution.

But, it's moot point for this SC.

 

Not anymore than when that statement was issued.

"....in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. "

 

With luck, he’ll be the last criminal to run for president...

 

Trump says he's running for president and magically 2 days later they announce another investigation to go along with the 75 they already have running. They swear that this time they'll find something!

 

Serious question: How is it “crooked”

Isnt the entirety of a special counsel to take politics out of the equation ?

And I ask this seriously:

In 2012-2016 therepublicans held 10 separate hearings on Benghazi. TEN over the course of 4 years, even after the first 9 found literally no evidence of wrong doing, they held another.

In that same time they spent the entirety of 2012-2016 investigating Hillarys “email server” claiming it was a national security issue and the “potential of that information getting out was treasonous”, and “if that information go out it could get assets killed”, and “she put national security at risk”…... Remember that ?

Now that Trump has been found to have literal top secret documents at his publicly accessible club, and in his office where he admits that private citizens have been in, the right claims its a witch hunt and it was “no big deal”. Now we hear thru sources that some if this may hav been nuclear defense documents, and the right now thinks because it was Trump, that this was a witch hunt and he should be left alone.

Now if Hillary was found to have TS nuclear documents on her serve, I’m sure the right would have said she had clearance to have them so thats OK ? Right ?

 

Far, far more. It's not even close. Trump was warned SEVERAL times that it was illegal for him to retain this material, yet he retained it anyway and obstructed efforts to retrieve it.

 

So.... funny story

Mishandling classified information wasn't made into a felony until in 2018. The law was passed in response to Hillary Clinton mishandling classified information by using a private email server. In response to Hillary Clinton not being criminally charged, the then GOP controlled congress and then president Trump passed a new law making the mere mishandling of classified information into a felony. Under this law signed by Trump himself, it is now a felony to mishandle classified information, regardless of whether or not there was criminal intent.

Should this law have been passed? maybe not, but it's the law now.. so the question now is whether or not Trump is going to be held accountable to the law that he himself had signed

https://www.salon.com/2022/08/11/si...y--now-it-may-come-back-to-haunt-him_partner/

 

*LOL*

God, there he goes again.

 

This was an already existing investigation. Not a new one. There's nothing "magical" about this either. I can't think of a single news source, regardless of political leaning, that didn't widely report that this was coming. Everyone knew that the DOJ would appoint a special counsel for this investigation if and when Trump announced his candidacy.

 

Oh really? What crime is trump convicted of?

 

Tax violations? Oh Dear God. You compare "tax violations" to an attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government by inciting an armed mob and then fails to do anything to stop the assault when it turns completely violent?

Well... good luck with that. I'm sure Biden is trembling in his sleep thinking of the hefty penalty the IRS might impose. And power to you, because I do think everybody should pay their fair share.

That is so funny!

 

"The Big Guy"?

 

Only proves how gullible the left really is.

1. If the Jan 6 committee had anything, they would have used it
2. If the Maralago raid found anything, they would have indicted already
3. Most are too dumb to even know that the idiotic left already impeached Trump for Jan 6.
Impeachment is in lieu of prosecution so you couldn't charge Trump for any Jan 6 (made up) crimes
if you wanted too
Double jeopardy
4. Now we are convening special councils for US citizens?

The dumbing down of this country is amazing

 

I think the numerous responses from our fellow leftist do a great job of pointing out the hypocrisy between investing our current present (relevant) and our former president (irrelevant). Just one more issue they lack consistency on.

 

Trump should have conducted himself absolutely above reproach...
He didn't...and, here we are...

 

Here we are...zero convictions. Zero time served. Zero Penalties. A big ****ing nothing burger wasting tax dollars, which you only seem to care when the scope is turned on the current president. No consistency.

 

This is by far the dumbest thing that the Democrat Party has done in a very long time.

This new Special Counsel can't use a single bit of testimony that was accumulated in the House January 6th dog and pony show because there was no opportunity for rebuttal questioning.

This is yet another optical that is really designed to thwart the HOUSE from full oversight into truly finding out the actual number of imbedded government agents involved in January 6th.

This is a CYA for Garland, Wray and Austin more than anything else.

 

The conventional wisdom is that Comey blundered in that public disclosure of a pending investigation, which is against department policy. If anyone would announce an investigation, it would be the purview of the AG, not the FBI director.

793 (a) states;

Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation.......

Now, based on my layman's understanding, in my opinion, "Intent" might be tough to prove, but intent is not required, only 'reason to believe' which simply means that a reasonable person should easily understand that the national defense information documents pose a threat to the national security of the United States and could be used to an advantage of a foreign nation, especially if the DNI damage assessments determine that the information continues to pose a threat to the security of the United States if the documents are mishandled.

Therefore, In my view, it is a misunderstanding of 793 section of the Espionage act to believe it requires 'intent to injure the United States', whereby the correct understanding is only that 'a reasonable person should know that the national defense information, if mishandled, could be used to the advantage of a foreign nation and thus result in injury to the United States.

So....

Under what condition would it be even possible for a sitting President of The United States to NOT have 'reason to believe' the national defense information if exposed, could be used to the advantage of a foreign nation to the injury of the United States', when said national defense information is initially clearly marked ''TOP SECRET SCI" (which is signals intelligence, overheard information via wire taps, etc., if exposed would endanger the lives of foreign assets).

IF the president's argument was that he sincerely believed it wouldn 't which is why he 'declassified it'. that could be easily seen as a ruse to cover his tracks for the blunder of having taken the documents, given that, as a private citizen, no proof was offered that he did, in fact, declassify the documents. However, it's a moot point because it will be MEANINGLESS if the DNI's damage assessments, despite declassification, determine that the documents continue to pose a threat to the security of the United States, and could still be reasonably understood to be used to the advantage of a foreign nation.

Let us not forget that Espionage 793 does NOT depend on classification regimes of any kind.

 

My immediate impression of this, differs from both of your takes. There would have been no need for a Special Counsel, in order for the DOJ to have brought charges against Trump. So this is merely Garland's response to Trump's becoming a candidate. He wants to avoid any appearance of impropriety. So this does not advance the investigation; it merely moves it. Therefore, it could only slow the investigation, depending on how long it takes for the Special Prosecutor to get set up, and caught up, on the progress thus far, by DOJ. This move doesn't change anything regarding the dispute over the Trump claimed documents, does it?

Hopefully, Trump's declaring of his candidacy had been anticipated by Garland, and so preparations for this switch, have already been taking place, and there will be little time lost, in passing the baton.

 

Hopefully they don't do a silently throw him into prison without proper trial. That would be very dangerous and frankly I'd vote for him if they don't act transparently. You can bet the FBI will be in trouble if they do that a d he gets elected while in prison.

 

Military trials are done in secret. He will disappear and you will never get to know the truth. It will all be done in the name of national security.

 

Where was Joe mentioned in the emails?