GOP Rep. Boebert: ‘I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk’

According to Jefferson, separation of church and state meant that no one religion (such as the Anglican Church in England) was mightily influential in law formulation in US federal gov't. Having the Anglican Church, for example, be influential in England law is why Pilgrims and Puritans came to America. Jefferson didn't say no religion couldn't be in American federal gov't. Jefferson said that no one religion would be mightily influential in American gov't.

Boebert may be an advocate of Christian theocracy in American gov't...I don't know. I do know (and I'm also sick) of the misinterpretation of the meaning of separation of church and state by atheists, for example.

 

She has all the batshit crazy Evangelical Christianese down pat. lol
She says she's "born again" ya know.

Lauren Boebert Predicts the End Times Are Coming Soon
By dianeravitch
September 30, 2022

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Rep. Lauren Boebert’s pattern of pushing for a religious takeover of America, spreading falsehoods about the 2020 presidential election and warning of an impending judgment day amounts to Christian nationalism, religious, political and social experts say.

Those ideals threaten the rights of non-Christian — and typically non-white — Americans but also endanger the foundation of the country’s democratic process, those experts say. The far-right Western Slope congresswoman represents a high-profile and incendiary voice in the movement, which is infiltrating virtually every level of American government and its judiciary.

Boebert leaned on those talking points Friday — in her official capacity as a member of Congress — at the Truth & Liberty Coalition’s From Vision to Victory Conference in Woodland Park.

“It’s time for us to position ourselves and rise up and take our place in Christ and influence this nation as we were called to do,” Boebert, of Silt, told the crowd, which responded with applause…

“We know that we are in the last of the last days,” Boebert later added. “This is a time to know that you were called to be part of these last days. You get to have a role in ushering in the second coming of Jesus.”

Boebert and her contemporaries, whether in Congress, state or local governments, can be expected to increase the volume and frequency of their Christian nationalist rhetoric as the November midterm elections approach and even beyond, Philip Gorski, a sociologist and co-director of Yale’s Center for Comparative Research, said.

“This is new and worrisome,” Gorski said. “There’s an increasing number of people saying ‘We’re in this battle for the soul of America. We’re on the side of good and maybe democracy is getting in the way. Maybe we need to take power and if that means minority rule in order to impose our vision on everybody else then that’s what we’re going to do.’”


cont: and check out the comments..some real funny ones.

https://dianeravitch.net/2022/09/30/lauren-boebert-predicts-the-coming-of-the-end-times/

 

Afghanistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Vatican City are extant examples of the theocratic governance that Boebert professes to prefer.

The United States, as an advanced democracy, differs.

Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by the Congress, and signed into law by President John Adams, affirmed that the “government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.”

It should be noted that Boebert is a crackpot poseur, a performer, not a legislator. She frequently blows noxious gas and sponsors crank bills with no relationship to actual governmental business.

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I'm not trying to be anybody's 'white knight', and I've already rendered a criticism of her remarks while trying to explain my interpretation and opinion of what she meant. I'm not Lauren Boebert, so I cannot say with absolute CERTAINTY what she meant. So, I'll be content, now, to let her detractors continue to rip her to shreds and scatter her debris to their hearts' content.

Afterthought: what would you of the hyperliberal Left have expected she might say to an audience in a Christian church? Was she supposed to quote from the Bhagavad Gita, the Quran, or "Promises of Liberal Heaven" by the Great Tree Lizard"...?

"Rejoice! I bring welfare programs and subsidies to all the good little boys and girls!"

 

The adhan is the Muslim call to prayer by a muezzin five times a day.

Boebert's perversion is a shrill duet with no pretense of communal piety.

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Precisely.
And it was because the Currch of England was in control of the law In both Britain and Holland, and it persecuted Pulgrims, an extremist form of protestantism then, that the Puritans had to leave Eirope.
They would hardly be in favour of eccleastical influence in secular law.
They held tightly to the idea that spiritual law does not influence let alone direct, civil law.

 

I.e., present her documented statements.

Lauren Boebert is a Christian nationalist, experts say

“It’s time for us to position ourselves and rise up and take our place in Christ and influence this nation as we were called to do...
We know that we are in the last of the last days...”
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Her raving about an imminent apocalypse is antithetical to prudent measures to confront and prepare for a future that does not allow for its deranged denial.
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Pilgrims and Puritans, IMO, would be enthusiastic with ecclesiastical influences in secular law just not one main ecclesiastical influence in secular law.

BTW, so was Jefferson enthusiastic with ecclesiastical influences in secular law just not one main ecclesiastical influence in secular law.

 

I don't see Boebert as any more dangerous than neo-communists and neo-fascists already in American gov't.

 

In any house if worship, anyone has the moral and spiritual right and duty to quote from any text they feel is appropriate, from Rushdie's Satanic Verses to Milton's 'Paradise Lost to a piece of Elton John or Rap to Buddhist thought or the Quaran via the Beatles.

Reference to what is someone's truth is valid everywhere.
Why are you once again referencing the twinning of church and state? Do you think they should influence each other?

 

Your hyper-partisan need to attempt a diversion is noted.

"Oh, yeah!
Well, what about...?"​

 

Indeed. She is equally dangerous and should be recognised as such.

Just look at the language she uses! Straight out of the pulpit of Billy Graham ( who started all this religion in politics stuff with Bush...a kind of Rasputin figure) .

Happily she is a one off...another Sarah Palin.

 

My diversion is why are you elevating the dangerous nature of Boebert over the dangerous nature of Obama (neo-communist) and Biden (neo-fascist) for examples?

 

Religion haters gotta hate.

 

Puritans were the victims of religious bigotry and were driven out of Holland and Britain.
I have no idea how they would view one faith being the ONLY faith, as it was back then.
But I am quote certain they wanted clear blue water between the spiritual and civil abilities to control their lives.
Jefferson was a hypocrite then, owning slaves and burbling christian thoughts about doing unto others.

 

I certainly don't appreciate apostles of a sky god telling how much tax to pay.

 

I think we may have reached the end of constructive conversation.

 

Boebert is a nutter for sure. A black eye for Colorado. Too bad she won, she's embarrassing.

 

If you are unable to defend Boebert's inane "The end is nigh!" raving, but believe that there is credible evidence of presidents of the United States espousing anti-democratic agendas, surely there are opposition legislators who are prosecuting them? What are they doing about it?

 

I find Boebert's 'The end is nigh' rantings no more unnerving than anyone who rants 'the 2020 election was democratic and anyone who says otherwise is anti-democratic'.

In other words, there are a whole lot of loonies in American politics and to concentrate on Boebert is lunacy.

 

The citizenry has the right to elect flamers rather than legislators.

Fortunately, the Boeberts, Taylor-Greenes, and Gaetzes provide comic relief as they posture for the dregs.

 

I find neo-communists like Obama, Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders, for examples, provide comic relief.

 

Your sniveling about Barr, Krebbs, Pence, McConnell, fifty states that certified their election results, and all the Republican officeholders and Trump regime insiders who testified under oath before Congress is a disparate matter.

 

Pleasure yourself as you will.

 

Certified by state Attorney Generals and state election officials who had no clue if their elections were free and fair 'cause pandemic rules disallowed state election officials to verify a vote before it was cast...And having a state election official, er, the state Attorney General confirm the freeness and fairness of elections is wholly dependent on whether state election officials can verify votes before they are cast.