'I don’t need anybody’s advice!': 'Defensive' Trump snaps when asked about Ivanka and Jared shunning

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  1. spiritgide

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    But just a snowflake compared to Biden and the left's ongoing white-out. I've yet to see a Trump-hater that shows any serious concern about Biden- but everyone of them would have shat themselves and
    screamed in outrage if Trump had done what Biden is doing.

    All comes down to weather you want America to be a solid, good place to live, or just another arm-pit nation. Biden's working on it.
    The left- decided "Make America Great Again" was a terrorist slogan, a view that must be crushed.
    That's who you're hanging with.

    Every miserable malcontent in the world hates people who are happier or more successful than they are. Every time someone tries to make things better, they attack it to make things worse, so they don't have to look at what they are sure they can't ever have.

    If you want the nation to be a better place- step up to the plate and add something positive instead of pissing on it.
     
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    It serves to protect the things they love: family, God, freedom, country.
     
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    It's your side that wants to turn us into another armpit dictatorship.
     
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    If they did "pick up the pieces", they would have no capacity to put anything together that wasn't worse than the way things already are, which is obviously not bad enough for them yet.

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    You can only believe that if you buy the left's propaganda.... but you can't support it.
    As Musk said- It's easy to fool people, but almost impossible to convince them they have been fooled.
    They gotcha, hook line and sinker.
     
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    And that is the tragedy of idealism. They think that merely imagining a better future it will magically appear.
     
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    But it is your side which is going to do it, in the name of building the perfect society just like Pol Pot.
     
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    So says the fish flopping around the deck.

    The only propaganda around here is the with folks who think the Donald didn't do anything wrong.
     
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    I'm no longer sure if they think that. It looks like they know he's broken the laws but do not want him punished for them.

    Otherwise, there would be no need for involved officials to ask for pardons or the Orange Traitor dangling a carrot of pardoning the J6 criminals.

    U.S. Representatives who requested a pardon from Donald Trump.

    Jim Jordan
    Matt Gatez
    Scott Perry
    Paul Gosart
    Lauren Boebert
    Louie Gohmert
    Marjorie Taylor Greene
    Andy Biggs
    Mo Brooks

    Garland should be fired for any of these traitors being on midterm ballots and re-elected.
     
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    I seriously do not know why it is taking so long either. The only thing that makes logical sense is that there has never been a situation like this before in US history and Garland does not want to eff it up. Time is technically on the justice's side, but time is a fickle thing.
     
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    I think any intelligent person knows there can be no such thing as a perfect society, but of course good and bad, better or worse are within out power.
    We are never going to be one big happy family- but we might be a group of families each happy in their own way, and that is what freedom is....
    We can't regulate how people feel or think- but we can encourage and create conditions that promote good values, make trust more common, make opportunity available to any willing to develop themselves and go after it.

    A sound society can't ignore the destructive elements in it, and remain sound. It must recognize and remove those who insist on harming it.
    That doesn't mean you get to attack others you think hurt your feelings, which seem to be the mindset of some today, but rather legitimate, genuine harm.
    And- It can't subsidize those who won't contribute with the productivity of those who will.
    Just as with each individual, there are things in our power- and things that aren't. Important to know the difference.

    "My side" won't be promoting a perfect society- but the best one we can. And while it would be allowing people to be useless if they chose.... neither would it be protecting those people from the consequences of their own choices.

    We should learn from things that work rather than chase fantasies. Best teacher in the world is mother nature, who has created millions of species of life that have thrived for millions of years with a few basic principles, and done so without politics, religions, laws and governments- and done so without poisoning the planet and using up it's natural resources.. That would say that the dumbest animal on the planet is the one given the greatest gifts, and can't figure our how to make it work- humans. Of course, we could.... the question is why aren't we? Step one- stop interfering with the rights of others to manage their own life, and don't let them interfere with yours. Until we learn to live with that one, there's not much chance of anything better. That's the way "my side" would see it.
     
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    """U.S. Representatives who requested a pardon from Donald Trump.
    Jim Jordan
    Matt Gatez
    Scott Perry
    Paul Gosart
    Lauren Boebert
    Louie Gohmert
    Marjorie Taylor Greene
    Andy Biggs
    """

    Prove these names requested pardons please... a link would be nice. which you did not provide...
     
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    No judgement is required: the Orange Stain made his bones on the backs of 7 bankruptcies, nuisance lawsuits to extract money from the defendants for no reason other than to enrich himself, and con jobs ( e.g. Trump Uiversity). These are facts, not opinions. Criminals like this need be made examples so as to discourage others from following suit. Your whining about Biden in an attempt to create a false equivalence is not even an irritating noise but rather an attempt to distract and deflect from the fact that you doubled down on a criminal and have yet to come to terms with it.
     
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    Translation, please stop reminding me what a colossal mistake it was to support Trump.
     
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    I'll take just your first example to illustrate how short-sighted and ill-considered your position is.

    7 bankruptcies? True.
    You can check statistics- 50% of new companies fail within 5 years. Trump has more than 600 business entities- and seven bankruptcies. That would put him vastly ahead of the norm.

    The major bankruptcy people talk about is the Taj Mahal Casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey. They don't talk about all the other casinos that failed there at the same time, including one not yet complete and a billion dollar project. Nor do they know why they failed. It wasn't bad management- it was government. The NJ Casinos pulled customers from several states, especially Pennsylvania. As state greed for tax dollars grew, Pennsylvania decided to jump on the bandwagon and opened casino gambling in the state. The residents there started gambling at home instead of traveling to Atlantic City. This drained a large percentage of the clientele of the Atlantic City casinos, and many failed. Business without customers always fails.

    Your grasp of the world of business lacks rudimentary functionality. Your other points are also lacking knowledge of relevant factors; you conveniently are unaware of.
     
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    And I'll respond to your apologist tack: After the first 2 or 3 bankrupcies, the Orange Stain adopted bankruptcy as part of his business plan to extort concessions from his investors. He did the same to his contractors. He pitched his con promising high returns and then defaulted through bankruptcy or the threat of bankruptcy. When banks stopped lending him money and no one would float his junk bonds anymore, the bankruptcies stopped as did his businesses. He then moved on to renting out his name and appearing on TV. His original business shrank to managing about 4 properties in NY.
     
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    I agree with you on some of the reasoning you brought out.

    What I think will be reviewed on Trump is not about who he was, but about how he was mainly a cult of personality, and how that was allowed to run unchecked by his supporters. Im not trying to debate those these things here, I’m pointing out that they happened, and why the “patriots” somehow claim what he did OK. I also think that that his election denial was dangerous to our democracy, and has the very potential to destroy it. I think that cancer is growing steadily, and has the very real potential to end this 250yo experiment (and I dont say that lightly).
     
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    I agree with you. But on a positive note I did some reading during the holiday and it does seem like the radical wing of the party, also know as the Republican Party, is getting retrospective after the debacle of Trump backed candidates in the last election. Thats a positive for America, but the big question is how will that effect the candidates that the Republican Party bring forward in the new cycle.

    Now there is still a radical wing of that party, and the real danger lies with them. I mean this with all sincerity, but that radical wing has the very real potential to bring down democracy as a whole. Election denial is a very dangerous ideal in any democracy, but in this democracy Election Denial has never been about facts, its been played up and forwarded at the emotional level, and sadly many have bought into it. Kari Lake never had one shred of evidence, so she played it up as solely an emotional issue, and actually got real support. IMHO, she is just the tip of the iceberg, and many more will follow. And the real bell weather in all of this will be seen in the very near future, and that is legislation that supports election denial. Once politicians start bringing up these issues in legislation, this great experiment we call democracy is doomed.
     
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    Ivanka is trying to salvage what little cache there is to her brand. She has made millions off her name being associated with luxury.............now it's associated with criminality and treachery.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:

    Well said sir.

    What most dont think about when they think of Trump as a businessman, and then they claim he is persecuted, is that US banks aren't really doing any business with him. His empire right now is being propped up by foreign banks, which was a big issue in the 2016 election. Many in financial circles are saying he was closer to bankruptcy than most know just before becoming president. Donald Trump has a very long and storied history of screwing over contractors, business partners, and governments thru his business practices. And as you very saliently pointed out, has been renting out his name to keep the money coming if for the last few years.

    I whole heartedly believe that Trump ran for the presidency just to build his name, and int turn make money from that. I honestly don't think he thought he would win, he thought he could build his “brand” and profit from that. And when he actually won, he started making deals with that power that benefited himself financially. He did things that if any other president did those things, would have been impeached, if not ran out on a rail from Washington by the masses with pitchforks. EX: Ivankas Chinese Trademarks that they had been trying to get for YEARS, were somehow granted within days of his official visit, very early in his presidency. Let alone the $2 BILLION dollars Jared got fro the Saudis just after his official state visit with them, as a an official in the Trump White House. But hey, lets worry about the $40 Hunter made, and the pictures of his wiener…..(if a Hunter did something illegal, he should be proscuted)

    Grifters gunna grift. But all you righties, just admit that the guy who inherited whats is estimated to be over $400 million, has grifted off of his name his entire life. If you start with $400 million, your not “self made”
     
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    That's the thing...none of this is hidden knowledge, just buried a little, but it is out there for all to see. This whole "Trump is the most hated man" bullshit just doesn't fly in the face of these facts. He is a crook now, and has always been a crook.
     
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    And you assume that because?

    You are a victim? You have major business experience on his scale to recognize what's behind the propaganda? Or, you can't pour water out of a boot but are sure you know all about these things?
    I've been a business owner since 1968- and I've dealt with a lot of contractors, unions, etc. If you think for a moment those areas aren't rife with rife with the unscrupulous, you have no idea what you are talking about. I'll be happy to admit Trump was a tough player- but that is what it takes to get things done. The important thing here is that he was playing FOR America, not against it. Just the opposite of Biden and company, who's selling you BS at wholesale so you keep buying more of it= and you're so busy hating Trump, you don't notice. They know how to play you.
     
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    Wow …… 4 pages and no one has any proof Trump said this… just a lame report written by a nobody reporter.
     

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