A Midterm Postmortem

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  1. Endeavor

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    Who cares who is rich and who is not. The economy is where you have majority of consumers. Majority of consumer lives in blue state, that is where US economy, that is where the majority federal income tax are collected and then those federal income tax goes to RED state.

    Here is the irony about dumb republican. Majority republican lives on federal funding yet they vote for policy to cut social welfare they lives on.
     
  2. Natty Bumpo

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    The irrational paranoia induced by cry baby losers among their lickspittles as a fake excuse for losing is being assuaged by reality and self-interest.
     
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    Who is telling you that?

    Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Arkansas, West Virginia, Alabama, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Oklahoma are the poorest states in the nation, overwhelmingly Republican.

    The richest are New York, Massachusetts, Washington, Connecticut, California, Delaware, New Jersey, Maryland, North Dakota, and Illinois, overwhelmingly Democratic.

    There is a signinficant correspondence between wealth and educational attainment.
     
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    It doesn't sound as if McCarthy - or whomever is Speaker - has the skill of a Pelosi to unify her members and pass legislation with a slim majority.

    His berserkers could make it very difficult. If 2020 sore losers wallow in vendettas, it will only hurt the GOP with the American electorate. The new Congress would do well to pass major immigration reform legislation, but they would rather perpetuate the ongoing crisis as a talking point.
     
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    Is that like the tyranny of the powerless?
    Uh huh, we hears ya

    It was someone else
     
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    cool story bro
     
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    you seem to think everyone in the richest state votes Dem and everyone in the poorest states vote GOP. Yet every single presidential election since polling has started indicated that those making more than 100K a year have always favored the GOP and those who are in the bottom 20% have favored the Democrats. and you have to keep in mind that someone making 100K in NYC is different than someone making 100K in Arkansas. True, some of the extremely rich favor the democrats for a couple reasons-big government gives them more wealth and power and some of the uber wealthy despise the religious right
     
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    Of course, I have asserted no such thing, nor does the empirical data I posted.

    I still wonder who, precisely, is being cited for the alleged claim that "Democrats constantly whine that the GOP is for the rich."
     
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    He sold them the lie of "millions and millions of ballots showing up out of nowhere". The top source of our mail-in ballots are from our military. Second are our citizens in the hospital and long-term care. It's not a bunch of dead people voting like he/they claim. Trump has always disparaged our military and this was one way to silence their votes.
     
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    Trump and many of his minions vote by mail.

    None has indicated that he wants his vote thrown out, or be regarded as suspect.

    Trump even takes advantage of "ballot harvesting":

    The South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported that a Trump representative picked up Trump's ballot about a week before the election and returned it to the Palm Beach County Elections Office the day before the primary.
     
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    Post election events show that Biden is keeping his word about changing nothing with respect to his policies. The border crisis, which is turning into a catastrophe, is getting worse, and the Democrats, plus some foolish Republicans, are spending Federal Government money into the trillions.

    Those foolish Republicans took the spending check power out of the hands of the new Republican Congress by passing that monstrosity of a bill. Congress has once more shown that it can’t do its job right.

    The electorate seemed to endorse this mess with the hand over of Democrat control in the Senate and narrow majority in the House. Inflation and crime are only going to worse.

    Conservative pundits are now saying that Biden will pay a political price for this, but I doubt it. He’ll either decline to run for second term or get knocked out the primaries by someone like California Governor Newsom. The Democrats might not hold the Senate in 2024 because, like the Republicans in 2022, they have far more sets up for re-election.
     
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    I’m one who believed the abortion issue was already baked into the equation. That over the last 50 years those who were avid pro-choice that was their top issue determining who’d they vote for had already become democrats. Same for the avid pro-life crowd, they’d already became Republicans.


    I think it was Trump that was the deciding factor. Independents after all voted 49-47 for the democrats. Trump chosen candidates were of very poor quality, many lacked political experience, many viewed as extreme by independents. Trump chosen candidates who lost included Tshibaka, Mastriano, Oz, Laxalt, Walker, Cox, Diehl, Bolduc, Lake, Masters and many more. Independents had a 60% unfavorable view of Trump, this carried over to his chosen candidates also. Strangely, those Republican who were not Trump chosen usually won and received 10-point higher votes than Trump chosen candidate. A couple of examples is Kemp, a Trump enemy received 8 points more votes than Trump chosen Walker. Sununu in NH received 10 points more votes than Trump chosen Bolduc. In Ohio DeWine received 10 points more votes than Trump chosen Vance, although Vance won etc.


    In many states like my own Georgia, independents split their ticket. Voting for non-Trump republican chosen candidates, but against Trump chosen republican candidates on the same ballot. We had a whole bunch of ticket splitters. It was the same in most states, a whole lot of ticket splitting going on. Independents dislike of Trump along with his chosen candidates gave the Democrats what I’m calling a blue trickle win. After all the Democrats gained a senate seat, 2 governorships while limiting their house seat loses to 9. Trump ended up being the biggest asset the Democrats had this election.
     
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    Yeah, Mail in ballots have both transparency and traceability. The Republicans claim that they don't is false. They only claim it because mail in voting goes heavily against the Republicans.
     
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    I suspect that the Republican Party's shift from libertarianism to authoritarianism was underscored by their abrogation of a personal liberty that had endured for half-a-century, and was especially significant in 2022 for younger Americans, but to allow a defeated, disgraced, widely-despised ex-president who had lost his Party the House, the Executive, and the Senate in a single term, a feat not achieved since Herbert Hoover, to become the face of the Party and dictate its nominees in so many races based exclusively upon deference to blatant lies, is unprecedented, and I am confident will never again be replicated. Deals with the devil have a way of exacting a price.
     
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    I agree, Trump demanded 100% loyalty. Even a bad thought of Trump would get you on his enemies list. Being called a RINO, exiled and primaried out of office. Most of those Trump targeted during the GOP primaries, lost. But most of those chosen by Trump to primary his enemies out lost in the general election. Trump held his power within the GOP, but not the nation. Now, after 3 straight election loses, Republicans seem to be waking up to the fact that Trump is an albatross around their necks, especially when it comes to winning in November.


    Trump’s very favorable rating, which I equate those who view Trump very favorable as avid Trumpers, avid Trump supports has dropped to 37% of Republicans, down from 65% in January. Those who consider themselves MAGA Republicans is at 36% of the GOP vs. 47% who say they’re non-MAGA republicans. When given a choice of between DeSantis or Trump for their 2024 nomination, 48% of Republicans now say DeSantis vs. 40% Trump.


    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/by8wjw1hur/econTabReport.pdf


    It may be a slow process, but Trump is losing influence and power within the Republican Party. Which I view as a good thing.


    Back to the postmortem, I think a lot of republicans who lost were still campaigning on 2020 election being stolen. Not on the 2022 issues or what solutions they had. Here’s the last 5 presidents who had or were hovering around a 40% overall job approval faired in their midterm election, now including Biden.


    Biden 2022 42% lost 9 house seats, gained 1 senate seat, gained 2 governorship

    Trump 2018 40% lost 44 house seats, 3 senate seats, 6 governors

    Obama 2010 42% lost 63 house seats, 6 senate seats, 4 governors

    G.W. Bush 2006 33% lost 33 house seats, 6 senate seats, 6 governors

    Bill Clinton 1994 42% lost 54 house seats, 9 senate seats, 1 governor


    Prior to Biden, those last 4 president’s historical averages was: house seats lost 48.5, senate seats lost 6, 4.25 governors lost. Now I have to average Biden into my historical averages. All I can say today is a blue trickle describes this midterm accurately.
     
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    The only way Trump can maintain his stranglehold on the GOP is if too many challengers for the nomination divide up the vote in the primaries as he maintains his cult's support.
     
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    Exactly, like in 2016 when there was 15 or so candidates with Trump winning the nomination with 35% of the total vote.
     
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    The RNC, senior Republican officeholders, conservative mega-donors, and reformed Trump worshipers in the rightwing media are all eager to escape the Loser's November 3, 2020 Groundhog Day to which he has consigned the Party. It's a question as to whether they can unify behind an alternative candidate early enough. If he loses a primary or two, he'll lie and whine about fraud, of course, but his tired shtick would seal his fate as an irrelevancy well beyond his expiration date.

    Trump's media entertainers have moved on.


    A significant "woke" realization that will help Republicans overcome Trumpery is the notion that it is not savvy to turn your supporters agains voting. Trump, as an excuse for being a loser, had led a propaganda campaign to do so that was parroted by his show-biz toadies, despite no evidence to support their paranoia.

     
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    Yes, the question is can the Republicans unite behind someone who isn’t Trump for 2024. I think they’re beginning to, DeSantis. According to YouGov, DeSantis is leading Trump 48-40 in a head to head matchup among Republicans and Republican leaning independents are going for DeSantis 36-19. Question 45


    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/by8wjw1hur/econTabReport.pdf


    Another interesting aspect is the Non-MAGA Republicans now outnumber the MAGA Republicans Question 92 47-36. I think this shows Trump’s influence among Republicans is fading. 3 election loses in a row can do that, 2018, 2020 and 2022. I see no one else to blame except Trump. Trump’s poor quality chosen candidates, Trump’s insistence that Republicans continue to fight 2020, the past and not look toward the future. No solutions to our problems other than letting Trump become president again and a host of others. Outside of that, I have no idea of what the Republicans congressional critters and senators they ran for this year’s midterm stood for or was for. I don’t think they ever said.
     
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    Will the Progressive Causus now have more influence in the Democratic party:
     
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