Tyre Nichols beating: Race Theory vs CRITICAL Race Theory

Hes trying to peddle a softer more acceptable version of CRT in his efforts to defend CRT. CRT, like you assert would award reparations on the basis of race. CRT would award reparations to Obama. His watered down version would not.

 

What the f...ck? YOU brought up reparations. I responded as a courtesy to you. I do that with posters I consider serous. So it looks like it was a trap you set to derail the thread!

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...al-race-theory.607763/page-11#post-1074003956

Will not make that mistake again.

 

I would say Oprah is both. The general criteria will need to be proposed by whoever drafts the bill. I don't find it difficult at all. Definitely by far the easiest part of the whole thing.

 

And you, of course, interpreted what I say as a binary. That if those factors influence ethnicity, ALL of them must influence every single particular detail of their ethnicity.

The SUM of those factors determine a person's ethnicity. That doesn't mean that every individual aspect is determined by ALL of them. Of course sickle cell anemia is not determined by the environment. It's also not determined by the level of education, or their social class... But it's most definitely NOT determined by the color of their skin, as proven by the fact that black populations in other parts of the world are not as prone as American blacks are.

Now, I don't know ANYTHING about sickle cell anemia, other than what I have already explained (which I looked up when I did my research for the thread debunking "race", back in September). So if this is another attempt to derail the thread, it's not going to work this time. You lost the right to the deference I gave you before. This thread is NOT about sickle cell anemia. However, your post DOES provide the opportunity to show that binary thinking is not something that is exclusive to the right.

 

This thread, as you yourself noted, is not about reparations. If you want to discuss reparations further, open your own thread.

 

Just send me my 5% and we'll be good.

Kidding. It's the worst idea ever.

 

Gov. De Santis is right on this, and a victim of slander:

“Our core curriculum … requires the teaching of Black history, but real Black history — I mean things that really matter,” DeSantis said on an episode of the Charlie Kirk Show podcast that aired Jan. 26. “This course had things like queer theory, it had things like abolishing prisons, intersectionality, it advocated for reparations and things.”

He continued: “That’s political activism. If that’s what you want to do on your own time, it’s a free country. But we’re not going to use tax dollars in the state of Florida to put that into our schools because it’s not trying to educate kids, it’s trying to impose an agenda on kids.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.po...can-american-studies-course-desantis-00080390

Who here knew that Florida required the teaching of black history?

 

Sure she's both. But there are an infinite number of wealth levels and income increments. Legislation requires line drawing.

 

And you think that makes it impossible? If not that, then what is your point? Did you even have one? Hiring a typist to put the document in Word and who is willing to work for the government at minimum wage is a bigger problem for the bill than determining a maximum wealth level.

 

Because the centerpiece of this thread was supposed to be about Critical Race Theory as it applies in the case of Tyre Nichols, I had hopes that the discussion would stay focused on it -- because it was clear that you were developing a thread of defensible logic. I saw direct conceptual linkage to the behavior of police in Nazi Germany and offered comparisons as I see them in Post #179.

At first, the impression was created that Nichols had defied lawful police commands, thus creating the circumstances himself that led to his death. But now, with the obvious incongruities between the police video camera images and the official police reports, it becomes clear that in addition to killing Nichols, the police tried to lie about it, and cover it all up! Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/30/us/tyre-nichols-arrest-videos.html

You've got more traction now than ever before, Golem, and this time you're on increasingly solid ground because what those Black police officers appear to have done may indeed be reflective of SYSTEMIC racism... and I say that even though we have disagreed frequently about many aspects of CRT up to this time. Once again, then, I suggest you focus on behaviors observed in specific systems, and avoid going down 'rabbit-trails' like your oft-noted predilection with 'reparations', while 'painting with an overly-broad brush'....

Afterthought: Every word of every manual of procedure used by the Memphis Police Department should be scrutinized, and every police officer and all administrative staff should be rigorously, but fairly, interviewed to gather every bit of information that casts light on the nature of 'systemic' racism that has been used, officially, and unofficially, as part of Memphis' approach to law enforcement. That's the kind of focus we need now -- not deflections that muse about who should collect 'reparations' from slavery that ended in this country over 157 years ago!

 

You can focus on that if you want. I was just answering the poster's question. I didn't want to be rude.

One thing to clarify, though. I'm using the Tyre Nichols case to explain the difference between RT and CRT. Just something to keep in mind.

I appreciate your words, but I'm not sure what you mean. I definitely think some form of reparations is necessary. Just that I agree that is not the topic of the thread.

You know what? I don't think they'll actually find anything wrong in the manuals. The systemic problem is mostly cultural. This type of behavior doesn't come from manuals. It comes from rookie cops observing senior cops and learning during the day to day.

Having said that, this was called the "Scorpion Unit". A unit that apparently was specifically designed to be violent. That part of the problem was fixed by simply disbanding the unit. But whatever culture remains, is still there. And it will be repressed for a while, but if there is no change in the culture, this will happen again. Ffor example, showing the video to rookies all over the country again and again so they learn what will land them in prison... and changing certain practices (George Floyd Act)

 

No, only if the system(legally) or those in the system exhibit a discrimination towards minorities(black) in most cases.

CRT is nothing more than a college level course questioning practices that could be discriminatory towards minorities, often blacks.
Nothing to do with anything outside of some system.
Individuals can exhibit all sorts of racism/discrimination, that is NOT CRT.

From your link, which I quoted
"This is about income. In 1946, average black income was 50% of white income. In 1972, average black income was 68% of white income. So here we have one of the highest growth periods in American history."

redlining was a chief reason for this increase in income disparity. That was systemic. Not individual on individual.

So it contradicts much of what you say of CRT.
Particularly, if one tries to put CRT into primary education. Where it doesn't exist, but for some rouge teachers.

 

CRT is not a part of reparations. There's no relationship. But maybe the skin color of black.

 

Thats what I said. I say any racial disparity that disfavors blacks you say any racial disparity that "exhibit a discrimination towards minorities(black)"

And then it was injected into public education.

Critical pedagogy - Wikipedia
Critical pedagogy is a philosophy of education and social movement that developed and applied concepts from critical theory and related traditions to the field of education and the study of culture.[

 

I would say the easiest part is NO reparations.

A harder part which IMO should be the plan, is to provide money to schools, neighborhoods, and job opportunities to areas that were decimated over the decades by systemic racist programs. Like redlining did.

IMO, it's the give a man a fish or teach a man to fish type scenario.
Money will be frivolously spent, but education will last a life time and more.

 

Any racial disparity is NOT just systemic racial disparity. As I noted.

What is the purpose of this link?
It's not related.

 

True. CRT and reparation advocates use the same set of data. But they are not interdependent in any way.

 

It has everything to do with CRT. Its application of the CRT equation to racial disparities and application of the CRT solution.

"The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”

 

It nicely refutes your assertion.

It subsequently spread internationally, developing a particularly strong base in the United States, where proponents sought to develop means of using teaching to combat racism, sexism, and oppression. As it grew, it incorporated elements from fields like the Human rights movement, Civil rights movement, Disability rights movement, Indigenous rights movement, postmodern theory, feminist theory, postcolonial theory, and queer theory.

 

McLaren has developed a social movement based version of critical pedagogy that he calls revolutionary critical pedagogy, emphasizing critical pedagogy as a social movement for the creation of a democratic socialist alternative to capitalism.

 

I could not agree more. And I think most people who talk about monetary reparations are playing politics. The one thing in favor of monetary reparations is that it will be one time over and done with. While in education, we could get an activist Supreme Court, like the one we have now, that removes equal opportunities from people we owe them to.

 

I'm glad you mention this "Scorpion Unit", Golem, because I can make another comparison with Nazi Germany that you may find more interesting -- with the Einsatzgruppen der Sicherheitspolizei and the Sicherheitsdienst! These were special "deployment groups" of secret police who rooted-out people on the basis of 'departmental (systemic) protocols' (so to speak) and murdered people who had, in fact, committed no actual crimes at all!

 

Scary parallel!

 

What does any of that have to do with reparations? Nothing.

 

Refutes nothing.
It's a deflection.